EVE General Discussion

Except things seem to be going the other way. Back when I started playing I would log on and there would be mid to high 30k folk on during est and there was a constant drum beat from ccp about how they were going to set a record for concurrent log ins and you would see spikes into the 40s (high 40s?). Anyway these days it seems always to be in the 20s and often the low 20s. Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them.

I've been seeing a lot more complaining than usual about the WoW refugees recently. Seems it spiked when CCP announced permanent ship skins. The people who are so quick to complain about how entitled the wow community is are in a way entitled themselves. CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. I'm in a new player friendly corp in nullsec and our numbers have been swelling with people completely new to EVE, its almost 2 a day at this point.

We don't get vets unsubbing and most are happy with the changes that are happening. EVE isn't "your" sandbox its "a" sandbox, yeah yeah my 15 dollars a month blah blah same argument the people in WoW use. I think its time to come to terms with the fact that EVE Online is not the same game it was 10 years ago and it will never be. Ship skins, clothing, refined UI some of the most heated topics recently are all massive revenue drivers for other companies. Of course CCP is going to add them and to think they won't try to make revenue because of the vocal minority bitching about it on the forums is just idiotic.

CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it.

If the 50,000 babies are needed to keep your stuff running, the 5000 constant numbers option is just not valid.

I'm a role-player who's watched the slow decline of EVE's catering to its lore and vast sci-fi dystopia and more catering to trollish alliances that were the initial reason I ran away from other titles and came to EVE in the first place.

Except things seem to be going the other way. Back when I started playing I would log on and there would be mid to high 30k folk on during est and there was a constant drum beat from ccp about how they were going to set a record for concurrent log ins and you would see spikes into the 40s (high 40s?). Anyway these days it seems always to be in the 20s and often the low 20s. Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them.

i don;t mind some of the changes. the learning curve in eve is steep, but giving someone more then a dogy paddle before tossing them intot he deep end is good.

And more wow players, more people to shoo tin the face.

Eve has room to devlope in ways to attract people without losing itself. The hot red head who will rip your balls off if you **** her off, can change her dress if she wishes.. or put on makeup.. but she will still rip your balls off.

as long as eve stays single shard, uninstanced, open world, and dark. she will be fine. you can dull some of the edges for noobs, and still keep her core

At least no one's pleading for eve to go F2P.

And then there's the horrible reality of knowing CCP would be completely incapable of executing such a drastic shift in economics without failure and irrevocably destroying the entire game in the process.

CCP have not shared the most most important piece of data which they used to for years now, and that is the actual number of Subscribers.

People can make there own minds why that is but for me it is the simple fact that they have gone down instead of up.

Its a great marketing tool to share with the world that your game is gaining subscribers but it is not so good to share if you are losing subscribers.

Most publishers like to tell the world when they have x number of subscribers but go all quiet when that number starts to go down.. CCP are no exception to the rule.

Eve has pretty securely established its niche in the PVP gaming community:

Eve = World PVP king
WoW = Arena and BG
ESO = AvA
PS2 = mmofps
LoL = "E Sport" king

Cash shops are popping up all over the industry; until ccp makes an instanced arena/bg system they aren't catering to the WoW pvp crowd.

While nobody can say numbers are going down with certainly I'm sure everybody can grasp the logic of self fulfilling prophecy and as a result they can grasp the concept of CCP never wanting to show that "EvE is dying".