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WoW refugees and the future of EVE
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Jenshae Chiroptera
#41 - 2015-04-30 02:24:38 UTC
Dots wrote:
Ah yes, Jenshae continuing to see a decline where one doesn't exist
Ah yes, Dots using the All Time graph, taking in the pre-2008 figures when EVE was growing and would lower the average. Roll

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Trigg Savo
Nova Express
#42 - 2015-04-30 02:25:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Trigg Savo
Every game since WoW is basically a WoW clone on most levels.

Sandbox games are dead, with the exception of EVE. Monthly subscription models are dead, with the exception of EVE. Everything is F2P with a sub option for a more "complete" gaming experience, and everything else...all the fluff and eyecandy is offered through a cash market, a la SWTOR's Cartel Store.

It makes sense for CCP to adopt this model because it's a cash cow.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#43 - 2015-04-30 02:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Trigg Savo wrote:
Every game since WoW is basically a WoW clone on most levels.

Sandbox games are basically dead, with the exception of EVE. Monthly subscription models are basically dead, with the exception of EVE. Everything is F2P with a sub option for a more "complete" gaming experience, and everything else...all the fluff and eyecandy is offered through a cash market, a la SWTOR's Cartel Store.

It makes sense for CCP to adopt this model because it's a cash cow.
The only way that makes sense is if CCP wants Eve to join the WoW clones in the dustbin of gaming history.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#44 - 2015-04-30 03:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Adriana Nolen
I'm a WOW refugee, from like 3 years ago. Honestly, it just depends on the player.
I really enjoy the ability to do much more in a game environment that wow just simply couldn't provide. I do miss arena's but WOT satiates my needs for that.

Edit: I would like to add that EVE has indeed helped me in RL financially. Learning market theory has been an invaluable life skill for me.
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#45 - 2015-04-30 06:17:36 UTC
Thomas Harding wrote:


Nethack. As much as I would like to say Eve is best game there is, it isn't. Nethack is still best.


This!

I'd even say it beats EVE at the things EVE is good at. It has a steeper learning curve, the things you can do are endless, loss is really real (no cloning, game over!)

If only it were truly multiplayer, not just through bones files...
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2015-04-30 07:54:58 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
We're the top of the MMO food chain.

If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.

We'd own them.

Entitlement.... lol

It's Elitism!


Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow.


I really hope you don't really believe what you typed...


People who play EvE have probably played WoW and realized that the candy coated, pastel world of Azeroth is a joke. There is no actual conflict, no reason to even be there, really. The players in EvE make the game what it is.

We ARE the apex of online gaming; especially when compared against the competition.

That having been said, though, I welcome the WoW transplants as I stated above. Any chance to get someone into a real online game is a chance I'll take.


I actually really liked WoW until the story had taken me everywhere and my friends told me to queue for dungeons until level 80. Then it got kind of boring and I lost interest.

It's a pretty cool single player game though. Gigantic and colourful and pretty funny. It was also nice to run around those places that I knew from the RTS games I played in some distant past and could barely remember.


I played WoW from closed beta to the launch of Cataclysm. It really lost its luster at that point with me. It is the biggest online single player game I've ever played. You actually have to TRY to die in WoW. In EvE all you have to do is undock.

I enjoyed my time in WoW as well just as I enjoyed my Everquest time (9 years!!) but EvE is by far the best.


Oh I managed to die =P Usually to NPCs. Eventually, I got killed by a guy in whereever that really jungly area is and for a time, I decided to stay there and have shootouts with other people because you could actually hide in the landscape and ambush them :D
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#47 - 2015-04-30 08:52:49 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
We're the top of the MMO food chain.

If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.

We'd own them.

Entitlement.... lol

It's Elitism!


Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow.
Roll

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-04-30 09:00:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
PLEXers vs. payers. Or, did CCP find a way to convert PLEX offered in game time into gold? (hearty laugh ho ho ho)
Whenever you target the widest common denominator, you blunt dull or blur your item. The WCD is dimbulb range, after all. The gaming industry has fumbled with this for half a decade now, and all they could come up with are games that require a 12-year old no thought whatever to play, with stuff in a micro-transaction store that the 12-year old's mommy's VISA can operate.

Way of the MMO - Mummy, it only costs ten bucks. Can I HAVE IT??

Has CCP stealthily adopted this business model while attempting to bamboozle the "old players" (back when the game required intelligence)? Only time will tell, eh? What's it starting to look like? It doesn't matter how many subscribers CCP has then, for EVE won't be EVE, it'll be some other thing with that label. Are we verging on this,
or has it already come to pass?

MOMMY! GET OUT YER VISA!! THERE'S ANOTHER "UPDATE"!

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Iam The Flash
Doomheim
#49 - 2015-04-30 09:07:24 UTC
GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote:
I've been seeing a lot more complaining than usual about the WoW refugees recently. Seems it spiked when CCP announced permanent ship skins. The people who are so quick to complain about how entitled the wow community is are in a way entitled themselves. CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. I'm in a new player friendly corp in nullsec and our numbers have been swelling with people completely new to EVE, its almost 2 a day at this point.

We don't get vets unsubbing and most are happy with the changes that are happening. EVE isn't "your" sandbox its "a" sandbox, yeah yeah my 15 dollars a month blah blah same argument the people in WoW use. I think its time to come to terms with the fact that EVE Online is not the same game it was 10 years ago and it will never be. Ship skins, clothing, refined UI some of the most heated topics recently are all massive revenue drivers for other companies. Of course CCP is going to add them and to think they won't try to make revenue because of the vocal minority bitching about it on the forums is just idiotic.

CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it.


Get a clue, it's not about that.

People paid ISK for ships with skins on, way above market value over original hulls and then overnight, all our *skinned* ships revert to normal and are we compensated the billions of ISK? No.

Ive lost a total of 2.3billion ISK on ships. Ships that i PAID for over the market price because they had cool skins on.

So yeh, forgive me if im pissed off

I still play wow, that makes me a girl does it? a noob? get stuffed mate and get a clue
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#50 - 2015-04-30 09:39:16 UTC
Iam The Flash wrote:


People paid ISK for ships with skins on, way above market value over original hulls and then overnight, all our *skinned* ships revert to normal and are we compensated the billions of ISK? No.

Ive lost a total of 2.3billion ISK on ships. Ships that i PAID for over the market price because they had cool skins on.

So yeh, forgive me if im pissed off

I still play wow, that makes me a girl does it? a noob? get stuffed mate and get a clue


And are you pissed off because you can associate that ISK with real money?
If so, did you ever drop gold on fancy mounts in WoW? Like the one that came with the reforger?
What then is the difference?
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#51 - 2015-04-30 09:53:54 UTC
I played wow for 2 weeks.
It was about 5 years ago I think.

I count as refugee?

truly wow is the most boring, horrible, bad experience in MMOs I had ever. if not for the "oh ! I burned this place in WC3!!" moments I wouldn't been there for even a week.

I played swtor on and off for few years. Mostly for the plot as big KOTOR fan I mostly played solo with on and off ****** group content which is easy as pie. but lately they just gave the middle finger to the story content and just place terminals with daily missions instead of bloody creating story. Also > cartel market.

EvE is nice as it's single world running for over 10 years and players create the story. The systems are interesting and due to skill learning mechanic there is always something new to experience. But let's not get ahead of ourselves with "Master Race of the Master Race" attitude. Bit of humility never hurt anyone.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-04-30 10:05:43 UTC
The tiresome practice of trying to equate ISK to real world money has long since lost its power to titillate, unless of course you're a cable "news" addict. (That being the case, why would you be here?)

Caveat emptor /ˌkævɛɑːt ˈɛmptɔr/ is Latin for "Let the buyer beware" <--- In case that slipped your notice. If you're going to be an unbridled capitalist lackey at least learn the lingo.

You knew at the time what you were buying had a limited shelf life. No. We don't need to go into you paying huge sums of money to look at something only you can see. It's not like you can stand in front of the Prancing Pony in Bree and show off to the noobs what great garb your mom will sacrifice the Visa for.

Skin purchaser remorse isn't the subject is it? Big smile

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Solecist Project
#53 - 2015-04-30 10:36:37 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
But let's not get ahead of ourselves with "Master Race of the Master Race" attitude. Bit of humility never hurt anyone.
No idea why you see things completely opposite.

What we need is a bit of elitism ...
... because that reminds people that we are still the master race of the master race.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#54 - 2015-04-30 11:31:32 UTC
Quote:
WoW refugee


LolLolLol

Seriously, who cares where people come from. Roll
Jenshae Chiroptera
#55 - 2015-04-30 12:36:23 UTC
Brian Harrelstein wrote:
Quote:
WoW refugee
LolLolLol
Seriously, who cares where people come from. Roll
If I am recruiting for a corp and find that someone was happy to solo through multiple quests with multiple characters, button mashing or go "Boost plz" for years. I would be more inclined to take my chances on a newbie.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#56 - 2015-04-30 13:31:25 UTC
What's a WoW?

Is it some kind of cake?
Staten Island
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#57 - 2015-04-30 13:31:42 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face.

Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is.


Except things seem to be going the other way. Back when I started playing I would log on and there would be mid to high 30k folk on during est and there was a constant drum beat from ccp about how they were going to set a record for concurrent log ins and you would see spikes into the 40s (high 40s?). Anyway these days it seems always to be in the 20s and often the low 20s. Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them.
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#58 - 2015-04-30 13:37:13 UTC
I have always been under the impression CCP would rather have addicts who will be here till they die paying their subs than flash in the pan one or two monthers who will leave when their ability to comprehend the nature of the game fails them and they either leave or demand changes to keep them happy.

In short; better 5000 constant numbers than 50,000 whining babies who need constantly appeased.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#59 - 2015-04-30 13:44:53 UTC
Staten Island wrote:
Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them.


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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#60 - 2015-04-30 14:07:44 UTC
This thread is a shameful display of hubris.