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Solecist Project
#21 - 2015-04-29 19:38:22 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
And I almost thought people don't share my viewpoint anymore....

How stupid. ^_^


I had a co-worker tell me once, "We play EvE because it's better than any other game out there and by proxy, we're better as well."

I couldn't argue.

Quoting for absolute truth.

We should do like goons do.
Invade other games, create EVE guilds/whatever and just show them who's boss.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#22 - 2015-04-29 19:52:10 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
And I almost thought people don't share my viewpoint anymore....

How stupid. ^_^


I had a co-worker tell me once, "We play EvE because it's better than any other game out there and by proxy, we're better as well."

I couldn't argue.

Quoting for absolute truth.

We should do like goons do.
Invade other games, create EVE guilds/whatever and just show them who's boss.



I think this will happen in the vaporware game that shall not be named. if it comes out

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Solecist Project
#23 - 2015-04-29 19:58:12 UTC
Yeah ... to wreck it, assuming the game is actually good enough to let us.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
#24 - 2015-04-29 19:59:22 UTC
Man, I hate WoW...

So more WoW players to destroy on this game too?

LOL I'd call that a win win.

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Maireann croí éadrom i bhfad.

Bíonn súil le muir ach ní bhíonn súil le tír.

Is maith an scéalaí an aimsir.

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-04-29 20:03:28 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
We're the top of the MMO food chain.

If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.

We'd own them.

Entitlement.... lol

It's Elitism!


Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow.


I really hope you don't really believe what you typed...


People who play EvE have probably played WoW and realized that the candy coated, pastel world of Azeroth is a joke. There is no actual conflict, no reason to even be there, really. The players in EvE make the game what it is.

We ARE the apex of online gaming; especially when compared against the competition.

That having been said, though, I welcome the WoW transplants as I stated above. Any chance to get someone into a real online game is a chance I'll take.


I actually really liked WoW until the story had taken me everywhere and my friends told me to queue for dungeons until level 80. Then it got kind of boring and I lost interest.

It's a pretty cool single player game though. Gigantic and colourful and pretty funny. It was also nice to run around those places that I knew from the RTS games I played in some distant past and could barely remember.
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-04-29 20:36:17 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
We're the top of the MMO food chain.

If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.

We'd own them.

Entitlement.... lol

It's Elitism!


Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow.


I really hope you don't really believe what you typed...


People who play EvE have probably played WoW and realized that the candy coated, pastel world of Azeroth is a joke. There is no actual conflict, no reason to even be there, really. The players in EvE make the game what it is.

We ARE the apex of online gaming; especially when compared against the competition.

That having been said, though, I welcome the WoW transplants as I stated above. Any chance to get someone into a real online game is a chance I'll take.


I actually really liked WoW until the story had taken me everywhere and my friends told me to queue for dungeons until level 80. Then it got kind of boring and I lost interest.

It's a pretty cool single player game though. Gigantic and colourful and pretty funny. It was also nice to run around those places that I knew from the RTS games I played in some distant past and could barely remember.


I played WoW from closed beta to the launch of Cataclysm. It really lost its luster at that point with me. It is the biggest online single player game I've ever played. You actually have to TRY to die in WoW. In EvE all you have to do is undock.

I enjoyed my time in WoW as well just as I enjoyed my Everquest time (9 years!!) but EvE is by far the best.

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Thomas Harding
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-04-29 22:46:53 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
And I almost thought people don't share my viewpoint anymore....

How stupid. ^_^


I had a co-worker tell me once, "We play EvE because it's better than any other game out there and by proxy, we're better as well."

I couldn't argue.


Nethack. As much as I would like to say Eve is best game there is, it isn't. Nethack is still best.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#28 - 2015-04-29 23:05:38 UTC
GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote:
... CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. ...
... and yet, the easier EVE gets the lower the average online players drops if you look at 3 months, 6 months, year and 5 years.

I agree that CCP can reduce complexity but not at the expense of depth.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
#29 - 2015-04-29 23:24:43 UTC
Col Arran wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Catering to the same player base as most other MMO is not a safe bet. Look at all the wow killers...



Normally I would agree with this sentiment but if you look at it they all tried to kill wow with games that when you stand back and look at it, were basically wow. I think EVE is in a bit of a different position here or else I would agree with your viewpoint.

If anything CCP is trying to cater to not exactly the same player-base just attempting to get some overlap going on.


Eve is definitely different. Hopefully it never becomes WoW though. As the saying goes, "If i wanted to play WoW, I'd go play WoW. Not a WoW clone."

Eve is still far too different to even be considered such a thing. With that being said, would be pretty cool to see ship skins tied to the ships they're applied and monocles (clothing) tied to the pod clone the player equips. And make them both destructible But then no one would ever spend $40 on a ship skin Cool
Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
#30 - 2015-04-29 23:27:52 UTC
GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote:
CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it.

If you define "hold their game back" as "not maximizing profits" then you're why gaming has slowly, but surely, gone down the shitter.

Thanks, Goodhart's Law. :(
Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
#31 - 2015-04-29 23:29:59 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
We're like the masterrace of the masterrace?


Yes Twisted
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2015-04-30 00:09:25 UTC
Clone costs kept the wow riff raff out. You guys think skins started bringing them in, but you'd be wrong.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#33 - 2015-04-30 01:14:09 UTC
I don't think people have a problem with WoW refugees, or cosmetic items. The problem is when those refugees demand that Eve change its nature to suit them.

In short nobody wants Eve to become gentrified.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#34 - 2015-04-30 01:19:53 UTC
Joe Atei wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
We're like the masterrace of the masterrace?


Yes Twisted

hmmm, more feared and reviled , we are the retched scum and villainy of the mmo world.

you know the sort,top hat,cane twiddling our moustaches while tying young lady's to train tracks, that sort of thing.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#35 - 2015-04-30 01:33:31 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
... In short nobody wants Eve to become gentrified.
EVE is already gentrified. I am considerate, I make sure to sharpen my knife so that when I slit a throat it is fast and rather painless.
Plebs go about whacking away with blunt axes long after their scape goat is dead.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#36 - 2015-04-30 01:44:09 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I don't think people have a problem with WoW refugees, or cosmetic items. The problem is when those refugees demand that Eve change its nature to suit them.

In short nobody wants Eve to become gentrified.


Pretty much this. If you aren't here to play EVE, just to agitate, be gone.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-04-30 01:44:33 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
We're the top of the MMO food chain.

If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.

We'd own them.

Entitlement.... lol

It's Elitism!


Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow.

Actually we'd get banned. I think thats slightly different than owning them, but I'm not sure.

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Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-04-30 01:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Chewytowel Haklar
I've played WoW for about 5 years but never really pvp in any game. For me coming to EVE Online is like going from preschool WoW pvp to Holy Hell you better know your crap pvp!!! There is no casual pvp in EVE, it is all hardcore brother! Anyone that comes to this game from WoW better understand that EVE won't change into a carebear game, or a dumbed down version of itself due to crying. EVE is meant to be hard, painful even, and make you so upset at times that you feel like crying.

I don't expect this game to change for me, but I'd love to see more changes to create new and unique ways to earn income, start fights, cause problems, and whatever else the devs feel would be fun. EVE challenges you and makes you want to learn to be a better gamer and a better person.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#39 - 2015-04-30 02:10:48 UTC
Aren't we special? lol
Dots
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-04-30 02:12:12 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote:
... CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. ...
... and yet, the easier EVE gets the lower the average online players drops if you look at 3 months, 6 months, year and 5 years.

I agree that CCP can reduce complexity but not at the expense of depth.


Ah yes, Jenshae continuing to see a decline where one doesn't exist (data from Chribbs).

Here's data from FF 2015. You do remember the slope of a line is Δy/Δx, don't you?

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