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Varg Euronymous
Wonderland Death Squad
#261 - 2015-05-22 18:15:29 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I'm sorry but I guess I don't get what point you are trying to make here?

honestly I see mostly praise, there is some criticism but nearly all of what I have seen is deserved. And maybe a few "waah! damage control icon change" but I half see those as a joke. Overall I think CCP is doing a great job, the new release schedule worried me a bit at first, but so far they have been delivering a bunch of stuff each time and most of it is good. I saw a great post the other day about how CCP had 4 major problems going on at the same time and that is why the summer of rage happened.


The Damage Control icon change broke my heart. It was iconic (see what I did there?!) and I'm literally going to get a tattoo of it.
Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#262 - 2015-05-22 18:19:23 UTC
I'm currently taking a sabbatical from World of Warcraft, i'm still part of the Blizzard community.

WoW refugees... "gasps" Shocked ....I so want this Title in Eve P .... "Celise Katelo WoW Refugee"

The future of EVE.... Gnome's will take over & Goblins will follow

Back to Beta testing

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Mmm.. where did i place my Coffee... Doh

EVEBoard ...Just over 60million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#263 - 2015-05-22 21:19:28 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
Staten Island wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face.

Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is.


Except things seem to be going the other way. Back when I started playing I would log on and there would be mid to high 30k folk on during est and there was a constant drum beat from ccp about how they were going to set a record for concurrent log ins and you would see spikes into the 40s (high 40s?). Anyway these days it seems always to be in the 20s and often the low 20s. Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them.


Got any kind of proof of that? Any kind at all? Not just inconsequential reports of you seeing the pilot count on the launcher. It is really easy to say "OMG x game is dying!!!" but it's way harder to actually prove it.

CCP has the data and they have shared it. Guess what? It is the exact opposite of what you're saying.


CCP have not shared the most most important piece of data which they used to for years now, and that is the actual number of Subscribers.

People can make there own minds why that is but for me it is the simple fact that they have gone down instead of up.

Its a great marketing tool to share with the world that your game is gaining subscribers but it is not so good to share if you are losing subscribers.

Most publishers like to tell the world when they have x number of subscribers but go all quiet when that number starts to go down.. CCP are no exception to the rule.


Hold up. If you admit you don't even know the amount of subscribers how can you possibly say it's gone down?


Ok, let's just stop right here and shove the logic out the cargo bay door before this thread degenerates into a rational discussion.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Yuri Ostrovskoy
Doomheim
#264 - 2015-05-22 21:21:00 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
We're the top of the MMO food chain.

If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.

We'd own them.

Entitlement.... lol

It's Elitism!


Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow.


I really hope you don't really believe what you typed...


Oh, it's completely pathetic, but you'd best believe he/she believes what was typed. Just look at the posts, this ones off the charts cringe.
Solecist Punk
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#265 - 2015-05-23 00:39:53 UTC

Just look at these people not getting it ...
... and thus actually proving it absolutely right !


Cowards hiding in npc corps should not be allowed to speak.

If you want to have a voice then earn it. In what way do you people actually believe
you have an equal right to speak ? Can you defend yourselves, if someone declares that you have not ?

No !
You can not !
You fully rely on others to do what is actually yours !

When words is all you have, you absolutely have to rely on an entity to protect you!
Without that entity you would be crushed to pieces and spread across several regions !

The only reason people like you exist is because natural selection doesn't reach you.



You missed a spot over there, btw.


The ONLY reason why you are still here is because the better people
still haven't realised that the whole issue of you being here wouldn't exist ...

... if they stopped giving you importance you need to get some attention ...

... and started stating examples !

Outright executions in open space !
Over and over again until you people get it !

You can only cry for so long ...
At some point Daddy will tell you to stop being a baby and DEAL WITH IT YOURSELF !
Jenshae Chiroptera
#266 - 2015-05-23 00:58:30 UTC
Celise Katelo wrote:
StarCraft II:
Fun and Warcraft 1-3 to some extent, especially LAN gaming.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#267 - 2015-05-23 01:20:01 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Okay but are there actually WoW refugees? Because when I see WoW players talking about EVE it's usually some kind of derpy comment that has no basis in reality. So I would not immediately expect to pull one of their corpses from a wreck (although all things considered, that makes total sense).


Those who realised the story made no sense, who saw through the unending grind to keep them subbed, and who weren't averse to PvP, they are the refugees. Cool
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#268 - 2015-05-23 05:18:20 UTC
I am a former WoW player. Mind you, much of the time my playing EvE was during breaks from - or lulls in content in - WoW. I have neither hard feelings nor hatred for WoW. I enjoyed it immensely. It certainly was not a game that made the transition to EvE an easy one. Most WoW players, myself included, will end up trying to carebear in hi-sec for way too long. In many cases, that will become so dissatisfying that they just quit without ever having experienced much of what EvE has to offer.

That said, if anyone currently playing EvE really has an issue with WoW refugees coming over to this game, they're just stupid. The more players, the more money CCP makes, the more they can service this game.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#269 - 2015-05-23 05:31:25 UTC
... the more newbies flying billion isk battlecruisers for me and mine to nom on.
I can't hate on that.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Elinarien
Doomheim
#270 - 2015-05-23 06:47:26 UTC
All this fuss being made over people who used to / still play a certain computer game but others who play another computer game. Get some perspective.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#271 - 2015-05-23 07:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Solecist
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
I am a former WoW player. Mind you, much of the time my playing EvE was during breaks from - or lulls in content in - WoW. I have neither hard feelings nor hatred for WoW. I enjoyed it immensely. It certainly was not a game that made the transition to EvE an easy one. Most WoW players, myself included, will end up trying to carebear in hi-sec for way too long. In many cases, that will become so dissatisfying that they just quit without ever having experienced much of what EvE has to offer.

That said, if anyone currently playing EvE really has an issue with WoW refugees coming over to this game, they're just stupid. The more players, the more money CCP makes, the more they can service this game.
That's nonsense in general.
I bet no one said that about the goons joining and destroying games out there.

Hey more players is great!
Let's have them all !

Doesn't matter if they fit the game and destroy it because they don't fit !



...... We're damn lucky the goons like this game. ^_^
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Bobaa Fett
Deep Axion
Honorable Third Party
#272 - 2015-05-23 11:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobaa Fett
GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote:
I've been seeing a lot more complaining than usual about the WoW refugees recently. Seems it spiked when CCP announced permanent ship skins. The people who are so quick to complain about how entitled the wow community is are in a way entitled themselves. CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. I'm in a new player friendly corp in nullsec and our numbers have been swelling with people completely new to EVE, its almost 2 a day at this point.

We don't get vets unsubbing and most are happy with the changes that are happening. EVE isn't "your" sandbox its "a" sandbox, yeah yeah my 15 dollars a month blah blah same argument the people in WoW use. I think its time to come to terms with the fact that EVE Online is not the same game it was 10 years ago and it will never be. Ship skins, clothing, refined UI some of the most heated topics recently are all massive revenue drivers for other companies. Of course CCP is going to add them and to think they won't try to make revenue because of the vocal minority bitching about it on the forums is just idiotic.

CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it.


I have to agree. The changes are cosmetic and balance-based if anything. It's still a sandbox, and an unforgiving one if you come in with the same mindset you did in WoW. They won't change that concept of sandbox play, all they are doing is adding more appealing content to ensure the game doesn't die off.

We have a small player-base as it is, if they don't change things up they might lose even the most loyal players after there is nothing more to achieve for them. We should welcome additions to the game, just so long as they don't change the sandbox mentality of choice: The ability to make great decisions, and the ability to make really crappy decisions; the potential to gain and most importantly LOSE everything. That is what makes EVE Online great.

Who cares if they add skins and clothing, and an updated UI that only slightly increases efficiency of travel. I don't mind cosmetic changes. Half of these things you don't even have to involve yourself with. I still don't own skins lol.

As for the new player base 'destroying' the game....I have to disagree. If anything they provide us more targets to destroy, thus keeping the vets interested in staying. The new player base has more of a chance of unsubscribing at 6 months of getting blown up, than they do destroying this game with a "hold my hand please" mentality. That's pretty much how it's always been.
Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
#273 - 2015-05-25 16:25:20 UTC
Anyone who says microtransactions don't have an effect on gameplay isn't thinking.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#274 - 2015-05-25 16:40:21 UTC
Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:
Anyone who says microtransactions don't have an effect on gameplay isn't thinking.


Anyone who thinks microtransactions weren't already in Eve long before Incarna isn't thinking.

Yes, eve peaked AFTER their introduction. So it was clearly SOMETHING ELSE that made people quit.


internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#275 - 2015-05-25 18:33:40 UTC
With the current "Fly-carna" business in WoW right now, you might see a surge of refugees.
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#276 - 2015-05-25 18:35:49 UTC
And I'll go to WoW, recruit some and tell them that Solecist sent me. P
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#277 - 2015-05-25 19:06:44 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
With the current "Fly-carna" business in WoW right now, you might see a surge of refugees.

Fly-carna?

Remove standings and insurance.
Yuri Ostrovsky
Doomheim
#278 - 2015-05-25 20:40:40 UTC
Solecist Punk wrote:

Just look at these people not getting it ...
... and thus actually proving it absolutely right !


Cowards hiding in npc corps should not be allowed to speak.

If you want to have a voice then earn it. In what way do you people actually believe
you have an equal right to speak ? Can you defend yourselves, if someone declares that you have not ?

No !
You can not !
You fully rely on others to do what is actually yours !

When words is all you have, you absolutely have to rely on an entity to protect you!
Without that entity you would be crushed to pieces and spread across several regions !

The only reason people like you exist is because natural selection doesn't reach you.



You missed a spot over there, btw.


The ONLY reason why you are still here is because the better people
still haven't realised that the whole issue of you being here wouldn't exist ...

... if they stopped giving you importance you need to get some attention ...

... and started stating examples !

Outright executions in open space !
Over and over again until you people get it !

You can only cry for so long ...
At some point Daddy will tell you to stop being a baby and DEAL WITH IT YOURSELF !


Please oh please tell me that you seriously think you're natural selection. This birdhouse is empty, someone get her outa here.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#279 - 2015-05-25 20:48:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Wendrika Hydreiga
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Fly-carna?


Aparently Blizzard, in their infinite wisdom, decided to announce that three dimencional fast movement (flying mounts) wouldn't be enabled in the current expantion or any other that will follow.

On a 3rd party news website. On a friday night... Woops!

People are rioting on the forums as two factions (those who want flying and those who don't care) are going at each others throats. Many threats of subscription drops flying about so soon after Blizzard announced a 3 million subscription loss.

The anarchy is delicious!
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#280 - 2015-05-25 21:08:57 UTC
So with more people looking around, EVE Online and others will probably seen new folks, refugees from WoW,