EVE General Discussion

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I get EVE. EVE is the real world...if we hadn't had the Dark Ages. If you can think of it offline; chances are you can do it in-game (ie Scamming, Pirating, Policing, Military Conquest, Economic Collapse, and a host more). All while flying a mother F-ing space ship!

And even with all that. EVE still feels like all the other MMOs I've played...once I get to the max level. -- Everything is just side upgrades.

I really don't care about grinding faction rep (I mean LP) or farming ISK.

I want to see my character become stronger.

....but that'll happen in 23 days, once I train this skill to Rank 5

......and another 10 days, once I train the skill that the previous skill required to Rank 4.


Or. I want to try this new avenue of gameplay; like Scanning/Exploration.

..oh.

It'll take about 20 days to properly train the skills needed. By then the "neatness" of this avenue has faded and meh has set in.
((This happened when I was training for Caldari Battleships; <3 Rokh))

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While I'm playing EVE, I feel like I'm not progressing. It feels like an FPS.

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And no. Under no circumstances do I want this game to become easier to play. I only wish it to be faster to play your way.

To which, CCP has begun to do so. By trimming Skills Books, adding lower class ships that get you into that avenue of gameplay (Mining Frigs, Exploration Frigs, etc).

So, hey, add a means of faster SP gains. Or add more ships that don't require a crap-ton of training to properly fly and I'll be happy.


PS: Frig Wars...make it so!

I would say "Max level" would be the ideal skills to fly a particular ship you've set your sights on.

I personally didn't train the learning skills until I was a year and half into Eve. I wasn't some idiot loser taking bad advice when I heard it. I'm new to the game and have no isk, why would I b-line for something that didn't benefit me immediately? You don't go around buying stocks with loose change. You build up your wealth first, and then invest it. Learning skills were in the same park. People did learn it first and burned out before they could properly burn out. Meanwhile, I'm over here filthy rich after 3 months while they're borrowing money from me. To be fair, I only took advice with a grain of salt. After all, this is a video game that's supposed to be cold and harsh. Not some care bear space land where everyone is trust worthy. I'm not saying that care bear activities should be absolved either. I just know what the game is really about.

Don't get me wrong, the learning skills were essential, just as having large guns on a battleship is typically essential. But they were in no way a requirement. And guess what this noob did when he got his first battleship, I put medium artillery on it and proceeded to do level threes while people who were still learning training skills were flat broke. The initial start sets the pace for the rest of your eve experience. Mine was nothing but fun. Even the boring parts.

Now, I feel I need to say this. I'm in no way bragging. I'm stating my experience. I'm just an average player, and if I were to be honest, probably slightly below average. The only difference between people like me and you? I didn't take complete strangers' advice as the truth.

Also, looking up mission guides is like using a scout alt to save your precious ships from unexpected doom. It's cheap and dumb. When I discovered some guides online I never shared it with anyone except RL friends. Because people like you suffer when you aren't spoon fed information and this allows me to get ahead. If anything, the lack of information on parts of the game should excite people. Knowing everything before actually experiencing it is like spoiling a good book. What's the point to continue reading it? What's the point of learning how to improvise and experiment if there are guides to tell you everything you need to know to succeed. , the sad part about all of this is people still manage to lose when all the information is available to them.

When I played games like WoW or Wildstar, I liked to do dungeons at a slow pace and learn as I go. But, if I looked up a good guide before my first time doing a raid or dungeon, i never died (barring bad groups and RNG). Even in a game like Wildstar, where there were guides and circles appeared on the floor before an attack was made, people were still failing left and right and whining about how silver was too hard to get. What did the company do to save their dwindling numbers? Made raid entry easier. For a company that advertised, no boasted, about how hardcore they were, that turned them into a hypocritical company. That made me quit and I was not the only one.

An attempt to recover revenue because their game was too much like WoW made it where everyone in my guild quit the game. People will argue they left because raids were too hard to do, but at the end of the day these same people would have left when there wasn't enough content or when they got bored. There has to be things to set apart the good from the bad. Otherwise, people would never have a reason to continue playing video games once they realize it's all the same crap. EvE is trying to streamline while trying to stay hardcore. News flash, both can't be done. If it could, it would have already been done. After all, we live in an age of rehashes and remakes because we ran out of ideas. I do not want Eve to turn into WoW in space. If it does, I will be gone. If I wanted to play a modified version of WoW I'd just hop on one of them private servers.

I do agree with you about walking in stations, it could be so much more, but I doubt it would have met our expectations. After all, the company was doing things like releasing dust on PS3 only. It would have been much more well received as a PC game and WiS should have been the middle man between space ships and FPS. It's too late now, the interest and hype is gone and the game has a bad rep. Releasing it on PC may prove to be a negative action. Although, a simple poll, on both Eve and Dust's main website that is linked together, could tell more truth than my opinion which is based off of forums posts (minorities). Now the game is practically dead and EvE's daily numbers are looking a lot less than I used to remember them. It's not the difficulty of EvE that made those numbers go down.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

By the way, you can manually steer your ship. Regardless of what I just said earlier about making the playing field harder for me, you gotta set wasd from its default shortcuts to the steering keys. I have been neutralizing transversal for my artillery since 2006 by clicking in empty space, now I do it immediately with more precision.

Hopefully wow refugees all just join the game and commence leveling their ravens.

Those are my favorite type of person to shoot at. They make the best squealing sounds and drop the best loot. God knows I don't expect wow players to actually stay playing EVE, it's not exactly an instant-gratification, everyone's a hero, free rewards for nothing fest.

In which case I've max-leveled a couple of times already (and almost so on a few others)

Corp info/agent tab ...(and you could pull up all the corps for each faction using the info tab on faction first and their corp list)

Actually we are indeed better.

EVE is way harder than WoW and needs some actual brain matter to play it.

Of course you don't have to be smart about it, but those people could play WoW as well ...
... and probably wouldn't notice a difference.

The mentality of WoW and 'traditional' mmo's is the issue with new players. Not that they think wow is superior, its that they have the mindset of eve is a theme park.. just a crappy boring one.

Thats the issue. Its like you live in So-Cal, go to all the theme parks in the area all the time, then a buddy goes 'hey lets go to the beach today' and you think 'the beach? well thats a theme park i have not been to! lets go!' So you all show up and you look around and go 'gee.. no rides? no go here first? wtf?'

That is the problem.


CCP doesn't need tp change eve's core, just clean up the beach, maybe ajus some of the rocks that you walk on as you enter the beach, so you touch the sand wihtout a broken ancle. What needs to be emphisized, is that in eve you cna do ANYTHING.

I had a co worker who would of LOVED eve. I tried to get him to try it, but was told 'oh i only play new games i hate playing catch up' and it took me a bit to relaize wtf he ment.


I'm starting to think ccp shoudl eliminate skill points. Kill them completely. You train skills based on time, but you earn no sp's.

Then again, that would be a real mental kick int he ass for some people lol

They just don't compare well. Their difficulty come from things completely opposite from each others.

Typical forum warrior response.

Why can't you just reply like a normal person?