Skill Discussions

If you and your friends like grinding, then go grind some ISK and buy a high SP char off the market.

You can do many things with just a few days of training (missions, mining, scanning, PvP, etc.) Will you be more effective with better skills? Most likely. Will the activity change/be more fun with more skills? No. If you can't find something you like doing with low SP, you will most likely not find it with 100mil SP as well.

I for one prefer actually doing in a game what I like doing instead of having to grind some stupid stuff just to progress.

Eve doesn't really start until you reach 100m SP, true story.

As far as I can tell, the skill queue is actually one of the fastest progressing features of the game. The really epic battles and economic "scams" that make headlines and draw new players are all months, or even years, in planning.

Sure, you can go run some missions, gank in high sec, or play the markets for a quick thrill, but you don't really get far doing those things in the grand scheme of EVE, and none of those make for the sort of youtube videos that recruit new players.

The only thing about skillbooks I'd abolish is injecting them. I get bored waiting for the blender to finish so I can juice myself up with liquified skillbook.

A new player can make about 15M ISK alone from tutorial missions and the starter epic arc.

A smart player plays with friends or finds a good corp that can help out too.

I've got a 6 month+ skill plan right now that's only going to cost me roughly 4M ISK in skill books. I know it sounds crazy...but I think if I really buckle down I may be able to absorb 4M ISK over a 6 month period of time.

Skillbooks have to stay. It / they, are one of the foundation blocks of the game.

As mentioned already, if the skillbook system didn't exist, a lot of players currently subscribed wouldn't either.

It is what it is. A learning system that takes time. I understand some people would be turned off by the concept but then they're not a good fit for the game. If they got their way and had THAT changed, what next?

Maybe the skillbook system fulfils another role, keeping the riff raff out.

MH

Skill books in a fictional universe where you are able to have clones for when you die and jump clones to move your consciousness around the universe at a moments notice as well as having cybernetic implants to modify your brain is just plain faggotry in itself.

Talk about a first rate MMO that can't even get the simple things right. CCP is supposedly concerned with immersion and giving the user an experience, yeah right. Get rid of skill books and just switch it to another system like downloading the information into yourself from a repository of knowledge that you would have to buy from concord or the race your toon is from making special skills from others races downloadable at a higher cost than your own race.

What you should really do is get rid of skill training times that are simply disgusting or get rid of skill training altogether. I'd rather pay 10x more for stuff than to never be able to train everything in the game in under 3 years.

3 years, only about... oh 5-6 months? Maybe - of skill training.

I am still working on making the drake not suck. Anyone who has been playing for a year and CAN fly every ship is doing it wrong.



The fact that you think you need to be able to train every skill in a shorter amount of time tells me you do not actually know what you are talking about. I used to think like you. When I started I thought the whole system was flawed and rewarded people who started before you.

This is not true at all. Someone with 6 months of specialized training into a given area can be better at that specific area than someone who has 150 million SP in other things. There are people with years invested into manufacturing and trading who can't even accomplish a level 4 mission. But there is good news! You can purchase game time with ISK and train alts at the same time to do other things!

And skill books in this fictional universe do not explicitly need to be "books". Maybe in the eve universe the word for "book" applies to anything meant to impart information of any sort to a person?

The "skill books" are a repository of information which is downloaded to the character, hence the "inject" option on them. Once you have the template for the skill, your brain must spend time processing this information to reduce the sudden overload of information - hence the training time.

TL;DR version: I think the thing you are thinking of does not mean the thing you think.

It makes sense, your puny mind however cannot handle it. Perhaps you should remap intelligence and fit some implants. 30+ int should reduce the time spent understanding this system nicely.

I like EVE just fine. Every game has its flaws and surely not every aspect of every game will suit everyone 100%.

I'm glad someone can be specialized and train specifically for one specific thing for six months and be better than someone else. I would hope that would be so. I'd be pretty pissed if someone who trained up for mining and refining for six months could beat me in pvp in a purely skilled based scenario when I trained for the same time to fly say a hurricane with best skills in that same time period.

My issue here is that I'd like to do more with my character, I don't want X number of alternate accounts because you can't train more than one toon on one account at a time, really I don't want a bunch of toons to begin with. It'd be nice to be able to train on one toon and be able to do more on said toon. Which brings me back to skill training times. Its ridiculous to think that someone is going to want to play the game for more than a decade to have a really well trained toon and *still* have barely scratched the surface of what you can train and max out. I think skill training times should be cut in half, possibly more.

To think that just because a few things in the game irk me that I should find another game is really small minded of you. I'm sure there are things in life that irk you, by your own logic maybe life isn't for you? Suicide gank yourself and get it over with. A forum is a place to debate ideas and speak on the subject matter, not your own uninformed extrapolations about someones life and what they should do with it when it is clearly off topic.

tl;dr - I think skill training should be shorter. I'd like to do more with my singular toon. This game is big enough and dynamic enough that I'm not going to get bored just because I can train skills faster. Skill training is definitely not something that is keeping me around in this game, its the community and the game universe.

They are a good isk sink. While they can be a logistical issue, so can ice, ammo, and many other things. A jump clone fixes most of them, which unique to skills.