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[PODCAST] Bringing Solo Back == EPISODE 21 (December 21) *Retribution Episode*

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Kovorix
Matari Exodus
#61 - 2011-12-19 16:51:05 UTC
4th page snipe :P

Thanks a lot again guys!! I think the 3rd one will be a little more concise than the second. while i'm glad you guys enjoyed it we think there was a bit too much of an information barrage.

Cherry Uisen wrote:
how bout a little bit on frig or low sp pvp? is it even viable? and when do you reach a point where your chances of success are basically only minimized by your piloting?

i am enjoying this far more that the other eve "podcasts"


The reason we don't talk about frigates is partly because we don't fly them, as MS said. However, we also both think that frigates are actually not a good way to start solo pvping - virtually your only targets are other frigates, and often fights are over so quickly that it's hard to critique your piloting/know what you did wrong. Some people really enjoy frigate pvp, but I think of it as a different kind of pvp entirely - it won't really help you much with learning to fly bigger things.

As for low skillpoints, that's a more difficult question. Cruisers (rupture, thorax/vexor now too) are a good choice for 0.0 flying, as you can take on multiple frigates or learn to pick little things off larger gangs. You can also kill a lot of recons with them. But I think really battlecruisers are the best place to start learning solo pvp - even a cookie cutter hurricane or drake can give you a LOT of options for solo and take relatively few points to get into. Just make sure you have BC 4 and t2 medium turrets. I like to recommend Zach Donnell's solo4lyfe for some examples of what a solo hurricane can do.
Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2011-12-19 20:16:39 UTC
For a name, how about
''Tools Of The Trade''?



(also, any hope of getting this on iTunes? Bus rides are boring).
GM Arcade
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
#63 - 2011-12-20 05:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: GM Arcade
Good podcast guys.

Update: Just listened to the second episode. I especially liked the part detailing the different tricks you employ to get people to fight you.

Lead GM Arcade | Customer Support Manager

Inggroth
Harbingers of Reset
#64 - 2011-12-20 06:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Inggroth
Checking in to say that i really liked the second episode.
Nothing really new for me there, but its interesting to see a perspective of competent pvpers.
May even get me to solo in something bigger than a slicer P

For critique - i think Kil2 did mention his youtube channel. When posting a new episode you may want to include links to relevant fraps (if any) /killboard BRs.
badasskitty
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2011-12-20 12:18:06 UTC
I am enjoying this podcast very much!

whats so good about it is that u both know how to lay down the situation good enough that you dont need the vid to know what you are talkin about. and you explain it all so clearly. very nice

greetings,

kitty

p.s. a good name for this bit might be: "Pvp Standoff PodCast or PSPC"
Fellblade
Old Comrades
#66 - 2011-12-20 13:09:30 UTC
A really enjoyable and useful podcast. I especially enjoy the first section looking at the decisions made during a fight, discussing other potential options, why they weren't chosen. Also the honesty of it :- "Yeah, that could have worked, and we didn't think of it."

Refreshing.

Keep it up!

Only suggestion for a name that I can come up with off of the top of my head is "The Club Bear Lounge"...

http://theexcession.blogspot.com - A Wormhole PvP blog.

badasskitty
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2011-12-20 13:46:45 UTC
a got a name!!!

the PEW PEW SHOW as a name for these great podcasts!

greetings,

kitty
IIPrimaryLotusII
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2011-12-20 15:33:07 UTC
So I have a suggestion for your podcast name: Pants Optional.

Pants Optional Podcast.

Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? :)

-Lotus
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#69 - 2011-12-20 17:25:26 UTC
Kovorix wrote:
4th page snipe :P

Thanks a lot again guys!! I think the 3rd one will be a little more concise than the second. while i'm glad you guys enjoyed it we think there was a bit too much of an information barrage.

Cherry Uisen wrote:
how bout a little bit on frig or low sp pvp? is it even viable? and when do you reach a point where your chances of success are basically only minimized by your piloting?

i am enjoying this far more that the other eve "podcasts"


The reason we don't talk about frigates is partly because we don't fly them, as MS said. However, we also both think that frigates are actually not a good way to start solo pvping - virtually your only targets are other frigates, and often fights are over so quickly that it's hard to critique your piloting/know what you did wrong. Some people really enjoy frigate pvp, but I think of it as a different kind of pvp entirely - it won't really help you much with learning to fly bigger things.

As for low skillpoints, that's a more difficult question. Cruisers (rupture, thorax/vexor now too) are a good choice for 0.0 flying, as you can take on multiple frigates or learn to pick little things off larger gangs. You can also kill a lot of recons with them. But I think really battlecruisers are the best place to start learning solo pvp - even a cookie cutter hurricane or drake can give you a LOT of options for solo and take relatively few points to get into. Just make sure you have BC 4 and t2 medium turrets. I like to recommend Zach Donnell's solo4lyfe for some examples of what a solo hurricane can do.


I've enjoyed listening to your podcasts but I disagree with saying not to fly frigates to learn. The most successful pilots in genos and podla started out by soloing in frigates and we still fly them occasionally.

P.S. call it "Bringing Solo Back"

.

Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
#70 - 2011-12-21 04:00:50 UTC
Yeah I wasn't going to hi-jack the thread, but I think the 'best' ship class to learn in really just comes down to preference... I think my first 100+ kills were in an Ishkur Lol

Regardless, I thoroughly enjoy these!
Kovorix
Matari Exodus
#71 - 2011-12-21 04:38:41 UTC
I'm not questioning the fact that most of us did indeed start in frigs, and it gives you a solid handle on some aspects of eve pvp. I'm not hating on frig solo at all, if people prefer it then that's what they should do. I just think a lot of the things that are key for bigger ships don't really come into play and thus must be learned flying bigger ships.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2011-12-22 11:39:53 UTC
The more I think about this project, and your YouTube videos, the more I think it's pretty ingenious. The biggest complaint of PVPers is the difficulty of finding "good fights." So, now you're teaching people to fit for and find good fights. Which, in turn, teaches them how to provide good fights!

Pretty neat.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.

Se nErv
Silliness Inc
#73 - 2011-12-26 00:41:18 UTC
Inspired by your podcast I refit two hurricanes I had sitting in Jita and set course for null.

The first one quickly died in a fire...

The second one managed one, two (afk in sanctum) and even three kills before meeting its doom.

Fun was had, isk was made (faction module drops \o/) and experience was gained.

Thank you for producing this podcast! Big smile
Kil2
Club Bear
#74 - 2011-12-26 06:05:44 UTC
Se nErv wrote:
Inspired by your podcast I refit two hurricanes I had sitting in Jita and set course for null.

The first one quickly died in a fire...

The second one managed one, two (afk in sanctum) and even three kills before meeting its doom.

Fun was had, isk was made (faction module drops \o/) and experience was gained.

Thank you for producing this podcast! Big smile


This has to be one of my favorite pieces of feedback I've ever received.

Nice job on the kills, I wish you many more.
Antodias
Ship spinners inc
#75 - 2011-12-26 17:42:49 UTC
Kil2 wrote:


This has to be one of my favorite pieces of feedback I've ever received.

Nice job on the kills, I wish you many more.


I've died horribly 8 times in lowsec in the past two weeks.

Mind you I've been pvping for around 6 years now, so I guess I can't really blame it on you guys. ;)

Keep up the podcasts though, really interesting to listen to. <3

Sard Caid
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#76 - 2012-01-01 21:48:44 UTC
I'd recommend using your youtube content to allow listeners to follow along with your discussion on fights, as its easy to lose track of what's going on with a verbal description (you can't read back up as with a written report, or see the visual clues as with a traditional commentary).

Kil2
Club Bear
#77 - 2012-01-02 00:43:12 UTC
Added episode 3 which focuses on active tanking =)
DHB WildCat
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#78 - 2012-01-02 02:48:51 UTC
should be interesting, ill point out where you went wrong lol 8P, looking foward to it bud
Laktos
Perkone
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-01-02 03:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Laktos
Nice episode, enjoyed it a lot :)

Edit: I think it would be cool if you guys spent part of an episode talking about morale. For me possibly the hardest thing about solo pvp (especially when you're new to it) is keeping your spirits up enough to keep sacrificing ships to blobs and falcons and swarms of ecm-drones in the search for a good fight. Included in that is keeping your cool in the face of such tactics and resisting the occasional urge to let somebody know in some not very nice words what you really think of them warping in 4 scimitars to help kill your rupture lol.

In my view the discouraging nature of solo pvp (in many ways soloing doesn't seem to be something CCP intended people to be doing) is probably the biggest obstacle to newer players trying to get good at solo.

Latest PVP Video: Perseverance

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Haeri
Club Bear
#80 - 2012-01-02 13:49:46 UTC
I think I enjoyed episode 3 the most so far, possibly cause I'm a big fan of active tanks myself, but I think you guys are starting to get more comfortable too :)

Stop worrying so much about length and going out on tangents IMO. I'm a lazy programmer so I would totally listen to an 8 hour podcast, and I guess when the topic is interesting enough it doesn't matter much that you rabble on for hours (but I guess 1.5h is about what you ADHD kids out there can handle huh? ^^). That said I think active tanking couldhave a part 2 or at least a follow up since it's a pretty big deal.

Lastly THANKS TO YOU GUYS, I'm going to bring that brutix out for a spin when I get home :)

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