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Formal Petition to Bring Back the Old Damage Control Icon
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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2015-05-01 00:37:11 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Before I throw my support in for this, I wanna see the lance back in the Incursus. Where were all of you when they were changing THAT particular iconography?


I was against that. I was also against changing moa, blackbird, tristan, exequror, and I dont like the new crucifier model much, and felt better with the old one, but a new cruc model that doesn't look that crappy would have been nicer than either.

But remember, CCP doesn't reverse decisions unless players start ruining the game inside and out with things like burn jita.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2015-05-01 00:47:03 UTC  |  Edited by: 13kr1d1
u3pog wrote:
Really? A whole petition over an icon, that CCP just changed for a reason? I am sure there are more important things for us and CCP to focus on.

Yeah, I liked my old Avatar, but they changed the visuals on them and no way I am getting it back, so that's the way it is.

If CCP restores the old icon, it's like they wasted their time changing it in the first place. I have not seen them reverting a work of their own, maybe altering it, but not reverting it.


Thats actually THE BUSINESS STRATEGY OF ANY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS. When something fails to work, or was a misstep, they correct it/throw it out IMMEDIATELY.

Companies have to have things that are hard keep, soft keep, and easy go.

Hard keep for CCP is the idea of being a pvp environment where death is costly to individuals. Ironically, they got rid of clone costs, which was a subsidiary of this idea.
Soft keep is things like 75$ monocles. You get rid of it if the players really hate it or wont buy it. Ironically, the reason CCP thought there was a market for 75$ monocles is directly related to the fact that people pay 300$+ a month for alts.
Easy go should definitely be module icons.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#123 - 2015-05-01 01:51:13 UTC
Is this thread seriously about just one icon? Ugh
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2015-05-01 03:09:20 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
But remember, CCP doesn't reverse decisions unless players start ruining the game inside and out with things like burn jita.

But burn Jita wasn't a protest or attempt to get decisions reversed, nor was anything actually reversed as a result (not counting clone or insurance contracts).

If you mean the Jita riots during the summer of rage, that was because of legitimate issues with the management of the game rather than a few people projecting their aesthetic opinions on the player base as a whole.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2015-05-01 06:08:42 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
But remember, CCP doesn't reverse decisions unless players start ruining the game inside and out with things like burn jita.

But burn Jita wasn't a protest or attempt to get decisions reversed, nor was anything actually reversed as a result (not counting clone or insurance contracts).

If you mean the Jita riots during the summer of rage, that was because of legitimate issues with the management of the game rather than a few people projecting their aesthetic opinions on the player base as a whole.


Its known as burn jita 2.0 so...

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2015-05-01 06:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
13kr1d1 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
But remember, CCP doesn't reverse decisions unless players start ruining the game inside and out with things like burn jita.

But burn Jita wasn't a protest or attempt to get decisions reversed, nor was anything actually reversed as a result (not counting clone or insurance contracts).

If you mean the Jita riots during the summer of rage, that was because of legitimate issues with the management of the game rather than a few people projecting their aesthetic opinions on the player base as a whole.


Its known as burn jita 2.0 so...

No, the Jita Riots were not burn Jita 2.0, Burn Jita 2 was burn Jita 2, again an entirely different event for an entirely different purpose which had nothing to do with reversing a CCP decision.

Jita Riots: Summer 2011 (because incarnage)
Burn Jita: April 2012 (Was the the end of the Mittani's ban IIRC)
Burn Jita 2: April 2013 (Dunno, CFC boredom?)
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2015-05-01 06:40:44 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Is this thread seriously about just one icon? Ugh


Its not an icon, it was THE icon.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#128 - 2015-05-01 07:41:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
I support this simply because you try ...
... and because I know the points people brought up about it.

Yet I am not sure this is the proper subforum.

When working with petitions, it's usually best to go after the widest audience. Blink
ROFL.

Bring back intelligence! Bring back intelligence! Bring back intelligence!

It wasn't a suitcase. It was a doctor's bag. Actually, it was a poor rendition of a doctor's bag. In fact, it was such a poor rendition of a doctor's bag it made one feel pity for the one who designed it, and it was so poor we have people here calling it a "suitcase". That is so all around pathetic it defies description.

When I first saw it, I groaned in pain. I knew what the "artist" was trying to do, and was looking at a truly epic failure. At last, CCP wises up and alleviates the situation with a new, more plausible design, and all the folks who just get "uncomfortable" and pitch screeching fits if you move a stick of furniture (there's a word for this disorder) have to moan and call "outrage!" because a familiar set of pixels that made them feel cozy like all their teddy bears were gathered around them, was changed. (Some of whom call others "Carebear!" in order to question their....well, ask them
what that's about.)

I could almost cry over the entire mess. Back in the early nineties when not just any idiot "went online" we who did never dreamed it would come to this! Dial 911! Dial 911! and...

BRING BACK INTELLIGENCE!

There just isn't anything that can be said!
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2015-05-01 08:30:51 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
I support this simply because you try ...
... and because I know the points people brought up about it.

Yet I am not sure this is the proper subforum.

When working with petitions, it's usually best to go after the widest audience. Blink
ROFL.

Bring back intelligence! Bring back intelligence! Bring back intelligence!

It wasn't a suitcase. It was a doctor's bag. Actually, it was a poor rendition of a doctor's bag. In fact, it was such a poor rendition of a doctor's bag it made one feel pity for the one who designed it, and it was so poor we have people here calling it a "suitcase". That is so all around pathetic it defies description.

When I first saw it, I groaned in pain. I knew what the "artist" was trying to do, and was looking at a truly epic failure. At last, CCP wises up and alleviates the situation with a new, more plausible design, and all the folks who just get "uncomfortable" and pitch screeching fits if you move a stick of furniture (there's a word for this disorder) have to moan and call "outrage!" because a familiar set of pixels that made them feel cozy like all their teddy bears were gathered around them, was changed. (Some of whom call others "Carebear!" in order to question their....well, ask them
what that's about.)

I could almost cry over the entire mess. Back in the early nineties when not just any idiot "went online" we who did never dreamed it would come to this! Dial 911! Dial 911! and...

BRING BACK INTELLIGENCE!



What about a broken set of I-beams like salvage has, with some electrical fields around them holding them together, or something? In yellowish hue and steel color overtones of course.

Or maybe some steel plates bending upward and fracturing, with bright red lines over them. Etc

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#130 - 2015-05-01 08:42:50 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
I support this simply because you try ...
... and because I know the points people brought up about it.

Yet I am not sure this is the proper subforum.

When working with petitions, it's usually best to go after the widest audience. Blink
ROFL.

Bring back intelligence! Bring back intelligence! Bring back intelligence!

It wasn't a suitcase. It was a doctor's bag. Actually, it was a poor rendition of a doctor's bag. In fact, it was such a poor rendition of a doctor's bag it made one feel pity for the one who designed it, and it was so poor we have people here calling it a "suitcase". That is so all around pathetic it defies description.

When I first saw it, I groaned in pain. I knew what the "artist" was trying to do, and was looking at a truly epic failure. At last, CCP wises up and alleviates the situation with a new, more plausible design, and all the folks who just get "uncomfortable" and pitch screeching fits if you move a stick of furniture (there's a word for this disorder) have to moan and call "outrage!" because a familiar set of pixels that made them feel cozy like all their teddy bears were gathered around them, was changed. (Some of whom call others "Carebear!" in order to question their....well, ask them
what that's about.)

I could almost cry over the entire mess. Back in the early nineties when not just any idiot "went online" we who did never dreamed it would come to this! Dial 911! Dial 911! and...

BRING BACK INTELLIGENCE!



What about a broken set of I-beams like salvage has, with some electrical fields around them holding them together, or something? In yellowish hue and steel color overtones of course.

Or maybe some steel plates bending upward and fracturing, with bright red lines over them. Etc


No that sounds terrible

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Erin Crawford
#131 - 2015-05-01 10:04:08 UTC
Jack Morrison wrote:
Sry i like the new one.

so do i.

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#132 - 2015-05-01 21:53:44 UTC
The new graphic for the damage control not only looks gaudy, it doesn't match or fit in with any other module. If there are no plans to overhaul any other modules why the hell was this iconic module for EVE Online changed?


"Anything I missed on my fit?"
"Don't forget your suitcase!"
"My what?"
"Oh, I mean your water resistant plaster."

Doesn't have the same ring to it. . .

Pointless change imo.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2015-05-01 23:43:26 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
I support this simply because you try ...
... and because I know the points people brought up about it.

Yet I am not sure this is the proper subforum.

When working with petitions, it's usually best to go after the widest audience. Blink
ROFL.

Bring back intelligence! Bring back intelligence! Bring back intelligence!

It wasn't a suitcase. It was a doctor's bag. Actually, it was a poor rendition of a doctor's bag. In fact, it was such a poor rendition of a doctor's bag it made one feel pity for the one who designed it, and it was so poor we have people here calling it a "suitcase". That is so all around pathetic it defies description.

When I first saw it, I groaned in pain. I knew what the "artist" was trying to do, and was looking at a truly epic failure. At last, CCP wises up and alleviates the situation with a new, more plausible design, and all the folks who just get "uncomfortable" and pitch screeching fits if you move a stick of furniture (there's a word for this disorder) have to moan and call "outrage!" because a familiar set of pixels that made them feel cozy like all their teddy bears were gathered around them, was changed. (Some of whom call others "Carebear!" in order to question their....well, ask them
what that's about.)

I could almost cry over the entire mess. Back in the early nineties when not just any idiot "went online" we who did never dreamed it would come to this! Dial 911! Dial 911! and...

BRING BACK INTELLIGENCE!



What about a broken set of I-beams like salvage has, with some electrical fields around them holding them together, or something? In yellowish hue and steel color overtones of course.

Or maybe some steel plates bending upward and fracturing, with bright red lines over them. Etc


No that sounds terrible


So, attempting to control damage on broken structure/armor plates with force fields is a terrible idea, huh.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2015-05-02 00:05:47 UTC
Cartheron Crust wrote:
The new graphic for the damage control not only looks gaudy, it doesn't match or fit in with any other module. If there are no plans to overhaul any other modules why the hell was this iconic module for EVE Online changed?


"Anything I missed on my fit?"
"Don't forget your suitcase!"
"My what?"
"Oh, I mean your water resistant plaster."

Doesn't have the same ring to it. . .

Pointless change imo.

I always just called it a "D.C."

No change here.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#135 - 2015-05-02 03:21:00 UTC
Cartheron Crust wrote:
The new graphic for the damage control not only looks gaudy, it doesn't match or fit in with any other module. If there are no plans to overhaul any other modules why the hell was this iconic module for EVE Online changed?


"Anything I missed on my fit?"
"Don't forget your suitcase!"
"My what?"
"Oh, I mean your water resistant plaster."

Doesn't have the same ring to it. . .

Pointless change imo.


why would you call it "water resistant plaster"? DC is waaaaaaay easier and have much more ring to it. What?

Just Add Water
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#136 - 2015-05-02 04:40:29 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
What about a broken set of I-beams like salvage has, with some electrical fields around them holding them together, or something? In yellowish hue and steel color overtones of course.

Or maybe some steel plates bending upward and fracturing, with bright red lines over them. Etc
I always thought the tractor beam looked like a stainless steel toilet seat. If you look real close you see the horseshoe magnet, But, we're not really pressing our noses to the screens to see this stuff.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Beta Maoye
#137 - 2015-05-02 05:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Beta Maoye
I think the new one kick ass. I want other icons to be revamped like DCU. For example, armour and shield need modernization too.
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#138 - 2015-05-02 08:34:05 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Cartheron Crust wrote:
The new graphic for the damage control not only looks gaudy, it doesn't match or fit in with any other module. If there are no plans to overhaul any other modules why the hell was this iconic module for EVE Online changed?


"Anything I missed on my fit?"
"Don't forget your suitcase!"
"My what?"
"Oh, I mean your water resistant plaster."

Doesn't have the same ring to it. . .

Pointless change imo.


why would you call it "water resistant plaster"? DC is waaaaaaay easier and have much more ring to it. What?


Because that's what it now looks like now. . .
Shuckstar
Blue Dreams Plus
#139 - 2015-05-02 10:26:53 UTC
Erin Crawford wrote:
Jack Morrison wrote:
Sry i like the new one.

so do i.


Yep I like the new one as well.

CCP Greyscale wrote:"OK, I've read every post up to page 200, and we're getting to a point in this thread where there's not a lot of new concerns or suggestions being brought up. There will be future threads (and future blogs) as we tune details, but for now I want to thank you for all of your constructive input, and wish you a good weekend :)"

13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#140 - 2015-05-02 21:52:14 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
What about a broken set of I-beams like salvage has, with some electrical fields around them holding them together, or something? In yellowish hue and steel color overtones of course.

Or maybe some steel plates bending upward and fracturing, with bright red lines over them. Etc
I always thought the tractor beam looked like a stainless steel toilet seat. If you look real close you see the horseshoe magnet, But, we're not really pressing our noses to the screens to see this stuff.


I use a 32 inch screen, so I guess I would've never seen it that way. Pattern recognition is a funny thing, its how all animals function, I've seen game sprites that looked like one thing only to find out years later it was something totally different, although to be fair, those objects were "low resolution" 8-bit graphics.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices