Player Features and Ideas Discussion

moon mining again, is only possible by havign a large popluation of ACTIVE combat pilots to defend it, and a full logistics wing to support the network, moon mining is only valuable as it is in mass (and it will be even harder to passively do as CCP rolls out the structure changes)

as for PI, yes, managing 5 planets between 2 lowsec systems to produce the materials for one final product being made on the sixth, in an untankable, non-combat industrial makes WAY too much money for the risk associated with it.

PI is profitable not because of time at the keyboard involved, its the logistics in maintaining everythign needed for it to work, whether thats POCO occupancy, or just learning to avoid the local pirates who would more than love to pop a bestower hauling 100mil of goods between planets for production

Hi-sec level 4 missions?

See the usual suspects for a scientific breakdown on how to do this.

What if he replied only ONCE?

They most certainly contribute to it. Moon mining on the alliance level facilitates SRP, SRP keeps more money in a pilots pocket they would otherwise need to replace ships, since Moon Mining is covering that through SRP, they have extra isk to go to PLEX.

In fact SRP programs likely have the largest impact on PLEX prices right now, and they are primarily funded through Moon Mining.


On the individual level passive income certainly allows one to buy PLEX easier. Couple PI alts can pull in about 75% of a PLEX, (maybe a bit less now since PLEX have gone up since I did my numbering with the free 2 Char Training CCP gave us). Individual moon mining (which is rare) can generate anywhere from 50%-100% of a PLEX (depending on material mined, and cost of pos upkeep). In either event both provide a portion of the cost of a PLEX for doing relatively nothing and maybe more importantly it allows a player to Mission AND Generate ISK from inactive sources at the same time. It makes PLEXing much easier.

Since we all know PLEX pricing is driven by supply and demand, More people with the ability to purchase PLEX with less time invested, means higher demand on the market. Supply has been more or less in steady decline since about 2012, while demand has actually accelerated (likely due to 2 char training, and more recently ship skins using PLEX > AUR).

So while moon mining and PI are not solely responsible for PLEX increasing 1:1, they certainly do impact the rise by a sizeable %.

I would say no.

Moon goo is hardly risk free, and I'd hate to try and rely on PI to PLEX an account (or god forbid several). Those are the only two things I can really think of as passive income that are legal within game mechanics (not including bot mining or nasty things of that nature).

All I am reading from the OP is "I cannot / wont do the passive billions isk shizzle, so it should be stopped". Jealous self entitlemently kinda of thing.

Blue dohnut won't end until moon-goo income is removed.

I know very well the logistics and defensive headaches of maintaining moon poses. It's hard work. But that's not the point. It's not about what's "fair." If the goal of fuzziesov is to end blue dohnut and give small guys a chance at sov, this has to be done.

If fozzie wants to do it, he'll do it. We won't be able influence him by making disingenuous posts in defense of our moon goo. All it does is make us look like idiots to everyone who looks at the forums in the process. There's no point. Whatever will be, will be.

Recently made billions building t3 destroyers in wormholes

Put moons to mine in here please

See who moans when that happens. Make it fair

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