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CCP - End Passive Income

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P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2015-04-27 21:37:16 UTC
Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!

Many players use these tools to plex accounts.

There is little incentive to do anything else.

Passive isk is killing the game.

Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.

Please put an end to passive income!


The irony®
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2015-04-27 21:39:18 UTC
Feel free to set up your own risk free moon mining operation.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3 - 2015-04-27 21:44:42 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!

Many players use these tools to plex accounts.

There is little incentive to do anything else.

Passive isk is killing the game.

Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.

Please put an end to passive income!



You forgot the worst form of passive income.

Skill training.

You can make 5 or 6 billion logging in for an hour total over six months. If you are going to rage, that's where you should be directing it.

Mr Epeen Cool
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#4 - 2015-04-27 21:47:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Feel free to set up your own risk free moon mining operation.


No-no-no, you don't understand. The good man says that there are no incentives to do anything else and no reason to log in any more. The poor soul seems to be trapped inside the vicious cycle of tremendous passive income.

Agent of the New Order

Live by the Code - die by the Code.

The Voice of Highsec
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-04-27 22:00:07 UTC
Better not let my employer know I was sitting on my ass on vacation getting that passive income doing squat...
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-04-27 22:00:59 UTC
With such evidence and a well written and provocative post, all I have to say is...

HTFU

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-04-27 22:05:53 UTC
Truly this man has opened the eyes of CCP. Everyone hire him into CCP! His arguments are flawless and perfect!

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Marsha Mallow
#8 - 2015-04-27 22:08:22 UTC
I'd rather see all active forms of ISK making removed so people can spend more time gleefully clubbing each other. Primary income streams via looting players/ransoming, and a bit more competition in the 'passive' markets.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#9 - 2015-04-27 22:33:45 UTC
While i disagree with pi needing to be changed on the eve side (it need to be linked more to dust/legion damn it) Moon mining should become active.

The ore should be found in comets (see what i did there?) new astroid belts, or just in places that can be mined by players.

Will get players to the feilds and cause more pew pew.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#10 - 2015-04-27 22:56:21 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!

Many players use these tools to plex accounts.

There is little incentive to do anything else.

Passive isk is killing the game.

Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.

Please put an end to passive income!


The irony®







So you want to end one of the most beautiful aspects of EVE. I have a feeling they won't comply.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-04-27 23:01:14 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera
#12 - 2015-04-27 23:27:50 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
The ore should be found in comets (see what i did there?) new astroid belts, or just in places that can be mined by players.
Will get players to the feilds and cause more pew pew.
... with a dock up or die game?
There isn't much pew pew. You dock up, grab a cloaked ship, watch the exits and do your PI in the meantime.
If PI is removed, you sort out some mails, chat a bit, check what needs stocking on the local market.

Pew pew + miners is a joke. Ratters have more challenging pew pew.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-04-28 04:33:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Feel free to set up your own risk free moon mining operation.

i dont think OP understands moon mining requires military supriority, which means that "mad profitz" has to be split up to maintain that military superiority, after all, why would they defend it if it didnt benefit them?

and as for PI, yeah, set up PI in highsec and see how much you make, then set it up in low and see how long its "risk free" once locals start seeing T2 transports regularly in system with the same pilot by the same planet
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-04-28 04:43:55 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!

Many players use these tools to plex accounts.

There is little incentive to do anything else.

Passive isk is killing the game.

Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.

Please put an end to passive income!



You forgot the worst form of passive income.

Skill training.

You can make 5 or 6 billion logging in for an hour total over six months. If you are going to rage, that's where you should be directing it.

Mr Epeen Cool



Um thats bearly above 1 plex per month... that figure in the 2 plex transfer fee? I guess. But still


5-6bill over 6months is basically breaking even dude.


Can you add? +++
Mario Putzo
#15 - 2015-04-28 04:44:19 UTC
Who uses T2 transports for PI...

Badger.

Also I think I get 250-300m/month from PI in HS, depends how the market is that month. On 2 Chars thats 75% of a plex for doing pretty much nothing.

And it is very much risk free. In all regions of space. Transport ships don't tank any better in HS than they do in NS. If someone wants you dead. You dead.

(I think my WH PI pulls in almost 1B a month if you looking for a comparison).
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-04-28 04:47:20 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!

Many players use these tools to plex accounts.

There is little incentive to do anything else.

Passive isk is killing the game.

Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.

Please put an end to passive income!



You forgot the worst form of passive income.

Skill training.

You can make 5 or 6 billion logging in for an hour total over six months. If you are going to rage, that's where you should be directing it.

Mr Epeen Cool



Um thats bearly above 1 plex per month... that figure in the 2 plex transfer fee? I guess. But still


5-6bill over 6months is basically breaking even dude.


Can you add? +++


I am just finishing up Economics 202 macroecon class. With plex like 8-850 and 5/6bill per momth over 6months.

MINUS INFLATION
MINUS OPPORTUNITY COST of gettin the isk at the end, not begining so you can invest/gain on it

That almost comes to a net loss once you make adjustments dude.


Go wiki up some econ scrub
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-04-28 04:49:34 UTC
Oh wait,

I mined my minerals so they free..

I sold my toon for 5bill over 6months so i am 5bill richer.....

Lmao stupid dummy idiot
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#18 - 2015-04-28 04:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Mario Putzo wrote:
Also I think I get 250-300m/month from PI in HS, depends how the market is that month. On 2 Chars thats 75% of a plex for doing pretty much nothing.

(I think my WH PI pulls in almost 1B a month if you looking for a comparison).

Making what and which planets are you using to get 250-300 million per month per character, doing pretty much nothing. My experience getting to that level of income from PI in nullsec requires more than pretty much nothing?

How many characters are you using to make 1 billion a month on PI in J-Space?
Eru GoEller
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-04-28 05:02:57 UTC
I suspect thread to be disguised as a follow up to the End hi-sec incursions.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-04-28 05:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
So, why didn't I get the memo? "Blitz the forum with 'no risk no ISK' demands!
Is this going to happen all week, or can we look forward to something slightly resembling literate?
Intelligent may be a reach these days. Shocked

There just isn't anything that can be said!
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