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I just went for a roam in Black Rise - screw links and screw farmers
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Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#41 - 2015-05-01 03:42:40 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Some days it's a one way golden ticket to awesome town with so many fights win or lose and other days it's drier than a the sahara desert with no fights for hours on end that you'd rather go whelp your ship to an obvious bait and be done with the roam.


QFT. The number of times I've welped my ships into obviously unwinnable fights just to see my guns go off is more than I'd like to admit.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#42 - 2015-05-01 06:29:05 UTC
evomad2 wrote:
Links only working on-grid will be perfect when it is eventually deployed. Maybe change it so plex timers only count down if you have no warpstabs fitted because :lore:?

Once done, enjoy FW Griffins online I guess. Sad




My plan is to make the 'Jamticore' a 'thing'.

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Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#43 - 2015-05-01 21:32:09 UTC
^ don't forget to fit it with an officer cloak
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-05-02 06:02:27 UTC
I am, frankly, done with Black Rise for awhile. The last time I went up there for some action I got into a 1v1 Tristan vs merlin then got blobbed by his corpmates including a worm and hookbill. Then I got into a fight with a firetail that turned out be be bait for someone's alt in a Svipul. Then I got de-shipped and podded by an instalocking svipul on a gate. Not gonna subject myself to thay anymore. People don't want fights. They want to undock, press f1, collect killmail, and then redock.

I recently went exploring desolate non FW lowsec in a deimos, I found a newbie corp screwing around with a shitfit rattlesnake, vexor and a couple of miners, slaughtered them all singlehandedly. Don't think I want to go back to Blob Rise. Got some GF's in Amarr FW zone too; alot of people in the caldari zone just need to be deprived of content until they learn to behave like they have souls.

I mean bringing a worm to kill a tristan that's already engaged...really?
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#45 - 2015-05-02 06:34:04 UTC
Yeah, maybe it's time for a move. How is the Min/Amarr zone for neutrals atm? Or maybe I should try FW.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#46 - 2015-05-02 07:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
I am, frankly, done with Black Rise for awhile. The last time I went up there for some action I got into a 1v1 Tristan vs merlin then got blobbed by his corpmates including a worm and hookbill. Then I got into a fight with a firetail that turned out be be bait for someone's alt in a Svipul. Then I got de-shipped and podded by an instalocking svipul on a gate. Not gonna subject myself to thay anymore. People don't want fights. They want to undock, press f1, collect killmail, and then redock.

I recently went exploring desolate non FW lowsec in a deimos, I found a newbie corp screwing around with a shitfit rattlesnake, vexor and a couple of miners, slaughtered them all singlehandedly. Don't think I want to go back to Blob Rise. Got some GF's in Amarr FW zone too; alot of people in the caldari zone just need to be deprived of content until they learn to behave like they have souls.

I mean bringing a worm to kill a tristan that's already engaged...really?


Grrr CalMil.

That's what you get for flying Tristans. Nobody likes to fight them.

Zappity wrote:
Yeah, maybe it's time for a move. How is the Min/Amarr zone for neutrals atm? Or maybe I should try FW.


I'm not sure you'd enjoy FW, from what I've seen from your posts. Most of the time it's about joining fleets and doing fleet things for a few hours.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-05-02 07:18:17 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
I am, frankly, done with Black Rise for awhile. The last time I went up there for some action I got into a 1v1 Tristan vs merlin then got blobbed by his corpmates including a worm and hookbill. Then I got into a fight with a firetail that turned out be be bait for someone's alt in a Svipul. Then I got de-shipped and podded by an instalocking svipul on a gate. Not gonna subject myself to thay anymore. People don't want fights. They want to undock, press f1, collect killmail, and then redock.

I recently went exploring desolate non FW lowsec in a deimos, I found a newbie corp screwing around with a shitfit rattlesnake, vexor and a couple of miners, slaughtered them all singlehandedly. Don't think I want to go back to Blob Rise. Got some GF's in Amarr FW zone too; alot of people in the caldari zone just need to be deprived of content until they learn to behave like they have souls.

I mean bringing a worm to kill a tristan that's already engaged...really?


Grrr CalMil.

That's what you get for flying Tristans. Nobody likes to fight them.


I tried to go out in an Atron but insta-svipul had other ideas. Got alpha'd by 280s.

Also trying to solo in people's home system is stupid they will just undock your counter.

More empty parts of FW lowsec are better for getting relatively fair frigate duels.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-05-02 07:20:21 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
I am, frankly, done with Black Rise for awhile. The last time I went up there for some action I got into a 1v1 Tristan vs merlin then got blobbed by his corpmates including a worm and hookbill. Then I got into a fight with a firetail that turned out be be bait for someone's alt in a Svipul. Then I got de-shipped and podded by an instalocking svipul on a gate. Not gonna subject myself to thay anymore. People don't want fights. They want to undock, press f1, collect killmail, and then redock.

I recently went exploring desolate non FW lowsec in a deimos, I found a newbie corp screwing around with a shitfit rattlesnake, vexor and a couple of miners, slaughtered them all singlehandedly. Don't think I want to go back to Blob Rise. Got some GF's in Amarr FW zone too; alot of people in the caldari zone just need to be deprived of content until they learn to behave like they have souls.

I mean bringing a worm to kill a tristan that's already engaged...really?


Grrr CalMil.

That's what you get for flying Tristans. Nobody likes to fight them.
To be fair, I never complain about being 'blobbed'.

Simply because, if a couple of pilots are playing together, it's only natural to have them all try to pile in on every kill, even if it's just a plain t1 frig.

What I do find lame and sad is people staying docked all day in their home system with links all nicely setup and, as Demerius said, undocking in the most powerful ship they can bring (pirate frig to a novice, t3 dessy to a small and so on) just to press F1 on the poor tackled bastard.

It's just silly gameplay that contributes very little to the local PVP community.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#49 - 2015-05-02 07:31:38 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
I tried to go out in an Atron but insta-svipul had other ideas. Got alpha'd by 280s.

Also trying to solo in people's home system is stupid they will just undock your counter.

More empty parts of FW lowsec are better for getting relatively fair frigate duels.


Bring your friends, take their system. They no longer have docking rights.

Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
To be fair, I never complain about being 'blobbed'.

Simply because, if a couple of pilots are playing together, it's only natural to have them all try to pile in on every kill, even if it's just a plain t1 frig.

What I do find lame and sad is people staying docked all day in their home system with links all nicely setup and, as Demerius said, undocking in the most powerful ship they can bring (pirate frig to a novice, t3 dessy to a small and so on) just to press F1 on the poor tackled bastard.

It's just silly gameplay that contributes very little to the local PVP community.


Both sides are guilty of this. Well, "guilty". Every person from the opposing faction that quits in disgust is a little victory. Anything is fair, as long as you win. I think his problems is that he doesn't like fleeting, and fleet ops are 90% of the fun in FW.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2015-05-02 07:33:20 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
I am, frankly, done with Black Rise for awhile. The last time I went up there for some action I got into a 1v1 Tristan vs merlin then got blobbed by his corpmates including a worm and hookbill. Then I got into a fight with a firetail that turned out be be bait for someone's alt in a Svipul. Then I got de-shipped and podded by an instalocking svipul on a gate. Not gonna subject myself to thay anymore. People don't want fights. They want to undock, press f1, collect killmail, and then redock.

I recently went exploring desolate non FW lowsec in a deimos, I found a newbie corp screwing around with a shitfit rattlesnake, vexor and a couple of miners, slaughtered them all singlehandedly. Don't think I want to go back to Blob Rise. Got some GF's in Amarr FW zone too; alot of people in the caldari zone just need to be deprived of content until they learn to behave like they have souls.

I mean bringing a worm to kill a tristan that's already engaged...really?


Grrr CalMil.

That's what you get for flying Tristans. Nobody likes to fight them.
To be fair, I never complain about being 'blobbed'.

Simply because, if a couple of pilots are playing together, it's only natural to have them all try to pile in on every kill, even if it's just a plain t1 frig.

What I do find lame and sad is people staying docked all day in their home system with links all nicely setup and, as Demerius said, undocking in the most powerful ship they can bring (pirate frig to a novice, t3 dessy to a small and so on) just to press F1 on the poor tackled bastard.

It's just silly gameplay that contributes very little to the local PVP community.


Or in a ship specifically fit to counter yours. I stopped flying slicers in certain systems due to an over-abundance of tracking disruptor fit condors.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-05-02 07:37:03 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
I tried to go out in an Atron but insta-svipul had other ideas. Got alpha'd by 280s.

Also trying to solo in people's home system is stupid they will just undock your counter.

More empty parts of FW lowsec are better for getting relatively fair frigate duels.


Bring your friends, take their system. They no longer have docking rights.

Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
To be fair, I never complain about being 'blobbed'.

Simply because, if a couple of pilots are playing together, it's only natural to have them all try to pile in on every kill, even if it's just a plain t1 frig.

What I do find lame and sad is people staying docked all day in their home system with links all nicely setup and, as Demerius said, undocking in the most powerful ship they can bring (pirate frig to a novice, t3 dessy to a small and so on) just to press F1 on the poor tackled bastard.

It's just silly gameplay that contributes very little to the local PVP community.


Both sides are guilty of this. Well, "guilty". Every person from the opposing faction that quits in disgust is a little victory. Anything is fair, as long as you win. I think his problems is that he doesn't like fleeting, and fleet ops are 90% of the fun in FW.


I have been in alot of Galmil fleets. They have some competent FC's and I've got on alot of nice kills. I just don't feel that great a sense of accomplishment from "Oh look some dumbass just jumped his links into our fleet. No one shoot until EVERYONE is on the killmail! Hold the pod, hold the pod, don't kill it yet let everyone...you assholes."
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#52 - 2015-05-02 08:09:55 UTC
I feel like I'm talking to a wall here. Maybe FW is just not for you.
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#53 - 2015-05-02 09:51:48 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Yeah, maybe it's time for a move. How is the Min/Amarr zone for neutrals atm? Or maybe I should try FW.


Great fun come try it!
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2015-05-02 11:05:45 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


Or in a ship specifically fit to counter yours. I stopped flying slicers in certain systems due to an over-abundance of tracking disruptor fit condors.



well tbh unless he's sporting a scram and or is linked/snaked while you're not, you should have no problem killing it in a slicer
(if you're faster, OH and fly to him, gonna hit despite TD, if not faster fly away from him, his missiles gonna fall sort, slingshot into him and blap blap blap. easy as pie)

IT: damn, i haven't been playing in the last couple months (fkn work), but it does sadden me reading this. Hopefully it'll fix itself.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2015-05-02 11:28:51 UTC
Folks could just ask in local for a 1v1 if that's what they want.

Used to be quite a common thing to see and do - you know - hop in the same fleet, warp to a safe spot and have your space honour duel.

Most people are on the up and up. I've only ever came across a couple of monkey spankers who were not - coincidentally both were in Gallente Militia at the time. Lol
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#56 - 2015-05-02 19:55:43 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
I feel like I'm talking to a wall here.


just a wall? there's more than enough brick-shitters in here to build a whole maze for you.
Vexta Kurvory
Ship Stains
#57 - 2015-05-04 22:31:20 UTC
It's funny how you people all demand a killboard with kills on it relevant to the topic discussed to have an opinion on the matter. Roll

Anyway, most plex farmers i've met that had stabs on them were toons <1 month old. There's all kinds of people, just gotta hope he wants to fight. You could also just chill in a plex waiting to come to you (gives you an advantage aswell). Or ask for 1v1 at a safe in local.

The link discussion has gone on forever, just don't look for fights in the more busy 'entrance' systems if you want to avoid that more often.
Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#58 - 2015-05-05 15:54:15 UTC
I'm supportive of off grid links inheriting an agression time or suspect timer when the ships they are boosting inherit the same (along the lines of neutral logististics getting flagged suspect).

I am wholly against requiring entosis links for FW plexes though. All your're going to do is gimp ships that would otherwise be PVP fit and offer a challenge or require FW players to haul along an alt with one while they defend it themselves.

Also, you want to hunt a target that is stuck in place for 5 minutes... is that really the PVP content you crave?

I suggest you go out with a ship and let the content find you. Solo does not always mean 1v1... more often than not it means 1v3 or 1 v Many... Learn from the masters of the solo craft like Sard Caid. There is plenty of streaming and YouTube content to show you how it's done.


And regarding blobs in home systems... I fully expect my enemy will undock perfect counters to my ship/fleet in their home system and blob me with it if they're able to. Just have to be cognizant of that or search for fights in more contested systems.

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Burtakus
Lone W0lf Society
#59 - 2015-05-08 01:56:53 UTC
I fly with links, I fully support giving the OGB the same flags as the fleet members whether that be suspect, criminal, or weapons timer. If you or your fleet are using links they are supporting you in your actions and should inherit the consequences of your actions.

If you are a solo PvPer then with or without links you are going to get blobbed from time to time, you are going to get cockbagged jumping a gate from time to time, and you are going to come across those that are better linked/implanted/drugged than you from time to time.

LIVE WITH IT.

I hate getting blobbed just as much as the next person and probably get blobbed even more than the average person in Black Rise but it's just a game and it's just pixels. Saddle back up and go find something else to kill. Some of the best fights you will have will start as a 1 v 2-3 and then you end up getting blobbed in the end because you stayed in the fight long enough and killed enough that they had no choice but to blob you.

Master Sergeant MacRobert
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#60 - 2015-05-08 12:51:43 UTC
Clearing FW plex's is supposed to be possible in a PvP fit ship.

Anything that drives fitting deviation from a PvP setup is a combat suppressant and does not belong in FW (where conflict drivers should be / are king).

We need more conflict drivers.

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