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I just went for a roam in Black Rise - screw links and screw farmers

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#1 - 2015-04-27 10:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
I just went for a little solo roam in Black Rise. I was out for about an hour. It was a fairly standard roam with a decent smattering of warp core stabbed farmers (this time it was two Incursus, a Merlin, the inevitable Venture plus a Firetail) and a couple of link ships (a Tengu and a Proteus) hugging gates, ready to jump through as soon as they were aggressed.

This is frustrating game play. I do not like it. At least half of the people you come across do not want to fight, or only want to fight with obscene advantage. I’ll be honest and say that I have been losing interest in lowsec lately and much of the reason is these aspects.

I would love for two things to be done:

1. Give links a weapons timer. Not suspect, just the one minute weapons timer. This would force link ships out into space where they belong rather than sitting pathetically on stations and gates. Given that CCP wants to put links on grid I see no reason why this wouldn’t be a good interim measure.

2. Introduce the Entosis Link to Factional Warfare beacon capture mechanics. The no warp, no cloak mechanics are just perfect.

Alternative proposal: entosis link can be used by anyone to roll back a timer.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Null Infinity
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-04-27 11:42:04 UTC
Should not it be in Suggestions section of the forum?

New mining menthods: interactive mining and comet mining

Master Sergeant MacRobert
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#3 - 2015-04-27 11:57:10 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I just went for a little solo roam in Black Rise. I was out for about an hour. It was a fairly standard roam with a decent smattering of warp core stabbed farmers (this time it was two Incursus, a Merlin, the inevitable Venture plus a Firetail) and a couple of link ships (a Tengu and a Proteus) hugging gates, ready to jump through as soon as they were aggressed.

This is frustrating game play. I do not like it. At least half of the people you come across do not want to fight, or only want to fight with obscene advantage. I’ll be honest and say that I have been losing interest in lowsec lately and much of the reason is these aspects.

I would love for two things to be done:

1. Give links a weapons timer. Not suspect, just the one minute weapons timer. This would force link ships out into space where they belong rather than sitting pathetically on stations and gates. Given that CCP wants to put links on grid I see no reason why this wouldn’t be a good interim measure.

2. Introduce the Entosis Link to Factional Warfare beacon capture mechanics. The no warp, no cloak mechanics are just perfect.


1. Yes
2. No - there are better fixes for FW and there is already an anti-cloak device in plex's.

"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#4 - 2015-04-27 13:48:23 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I just went for a little solo roam in Black Rise. I was out for about an hour. It was a fairly standard roam with a decent smattering of warp core stabbed farmers (this time it was two Incursus, a Merlin, the inevitable Venture plus a Firetail) and a couple of link ships (a Tengu and a Proteus) hugging gates, ready to jump through as soon as they were aggressed.

This is frustrating game play. I do not like it. At least half of the people you come across do not want to fight, or only want to fight with obscene advantage. I’ll be honest and say that I have been losing interest in lowsec lately and much of the reason is these aspects.

I would love for two things to be done:

1. Give links a weapons timer. Not suspect, just the one minute weapons timer. This would force link ships out into space where they belong rather than sitting pathetically on stations and gates. Given that CCP wants to put links on grid I see no reason why this wouldn’t be a good interim measure.

2. Introduce the Entosis Link to Factional Warfare beacon capture mechanics. The no warp, no cloak mechanics are just perfect.


Entosis link wouldn't fix it. People would train for the T2 version so they can sit in relative safety from 250km away. You would still see the same "problems" you saw on your roam. The risk averse farmers will always adjust and never engage you.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#5 - 2015-04-27 14:43:19 UTC
1. Maybe.
2. No, entosis link as it is now will bring more harm than good in to fw.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-04-27 14:59:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Roaming in small groups is still fun in FW lowsec (killing those overconfident T3Ds). Doing solo in cheap T1 frigs still works too if you pick the right fights*. But you are right, a lot of stabbed farmers out there, if you are not about your sec status, just kill them. Try Amarr/Minmatar FW area.

*You need to be a bit patient and bridge the time between GFs by hunting explorers, mission runners and PI haulers. ;) Before and after downtime works best for solo.

EDIT: .... aaannd a comet is probably not a good ship to get solo fights, at least I wouldn't engage if I didn't know for sure it is blaster fit.

I'm my own NPC alt.

ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#7 - 2015-04-27 15:39:49 UTC
No, and no.
Thank you for your tears, but do remember on grid links means my link alt goes back to flying a falcon, or a griffin cloaked in a novice, etc.I don't really feel like doing that, but if I trained an alt, I am going to use them, and I don't even use links half of the time, but I think it is so hilarious how much it causes people to complain.

And plex mechanics are great, it allows and incentivizes frigate and dessie PVP, if you want entosis links, just goto nullsec there is no reason to make all of eve the same.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#8 - 2015-04-27 16:00:30 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I just went for a little solo roam in Black Rise. I was out for about an hour. It was a fairly standard roam with a decent smattering of warp core stabbed farmers (this time it was two Incursus, a Merlin, the inevitable Venture plus a Firetail) and a couple of link ships (a Tengu and a Proteus) hugging gates, ready to jump through as soon as they were aggressed.

This is frustrating game play. I do not like it. At least half of the people you come across do not want to fight, or only want to fight with obscene advantage. I’ll be honest and say that I have been losing interest in lowsec lately and much of the reason is these aspects.

I would love for two things to be done:

1. Give links a weapons timer. Not suspect, just the one minute weapons timer. This would force link ships out into space where they belong rather than sitting pathetically on stations and gates. Given that CCP wants to put links on grid I see no reason why this wouldn’t be a good interim measure.

2. Introduce the Entosis Link to Factional Warfare beacon capture mechanics. The no warp, no cloak mechanics are just perfect.


1) Get some Alpha Tornados.

2) That's because you're not actually participating in Faction Warfare. Forcing people out of plexes bears strategic significance for militia members. Giving an entosis requirement for capturing FW plexes will give you less solo fights than you get now, because

a) Fitting an entosis module gimps my ship. It takes up a slot, CPU and PG, and adds mass while active.
b) Keeping a) in mind, I can't freely escape from let's say a T1 frig vs Destroyer fight, or any fight at all. I'll probably want to bring a friend to watch my back.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#9 - 2015-04-27 18:02:54 UTC
Back in my day you had to scan for plexes with probes. It sucked because it gimped your ship's fit, so they eventually got rid of it.

Just say "No" to Entosis links in FW plexes.
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#10 - 2015-04-27 18:10:02 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
No, and no.
Thank you for your tears, but do remember on grid links means my link alt goes back to flying a falcon, or a griffin cloaked in a novice, etc.I don't really feel like doing that, but if I trained an alt, I am going to use them, and I don't even use links half of the time, but I think it is so hilarious how much it causes people to complain.

And plex mechanics are great, it allows and incentivizes frigate and dessie PVP, if you want entosis links, just goto nullsec there is no reason to make all of eve the same.


Please Jesus No, Not the ECM.
All Hail Links.

On a serious note: OGB links are 11/10 gud times nobigdeal. Just bump them off ezpz noworries o7 to your links. There are various ways to deal with link-boats when you inevitably encounter them, and none of them are whining on the forums.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-04-27 18:24:32 UTC
I fight solo in Black Rise every night. And I never don't find GF's.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#12 - 2015-04-27 20:36:00 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
I fight solo in Black Rise every night. And I never don't find GF's.

I find them too. It was just particularly frustrating last night. One of those evenings where they had come out in force just to annoy me.

And it was not because I was neutral. Only stabbed ships warp away when you have them scammed.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-04-27 21:07:39 UTC
Regarding your proposal to bring Entosis links to FW ... I know, Fozzie and team think about that, but as reasoned above, it would kill solo PvP in FW, because you would need expensive gimp fits to plex. Remove the sec hit for neutrals in plexes and I would kill stabbed farmers all day long. For now, check opponent's fit and don't engage or fit double scram.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
#14 - 2015-04-27 21:23:24 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
I fight solo in Black Rise every night. And I never don't find GF's.

I find them too. It was just particularly frustrating last night. One of those evenings where they had come out in force just to annoy me.

And it was not because I was neutral. Only stabbed ships warp away when you have them scammed.



If you're looking for good PVP opportunities, my cop is recruiting.

Our local Gals are kind enough to (rarely) plex either stabs too.

It is a working relationship.

As to the original post, sometimes you don't find dudes. Sometimes you do. I don't really know what else to say. I don't have trouble finding solo fights but that might be because I am a Caldari Militia member so there is there more pressure to remove me me from plexes. Or maybe it is because I am handsome as **** and all the bitches want a turn with me. Who knows!
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-04-27 21:27:52 UTC
That's the solo roamer's life, mate. Some nights just suck.

Lately I try to find fights with micro-gangs of 2-3 people, hopefully a little on the noob side (unlikely I'd win a 1v3 if they're competent).

Usually works, and they're rarely linked.

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Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#16 - 2015-04-27 22:40:50 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
That's the solo roamer's life, mate. Some nights just suck.


Hell, most nights suck. Or maybe I suck, but either way, something sucks most of the time! I moved to Black Rise recently and actually just had a great fight with another Stay Frosty guy the other night, no links or drugs or implants or fittings intel (not that I'm above using any of those things) and it was down to <5% hull where just a single volley or overheat cycle could have changed everything. Great solo is out there, sometimes it's just sitting in a plex orbiting a button waiting for the right pilot to come along and take a risk on a balanced fight.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#17 - 2015-04-27 23:20:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Same as master here, yes to weapons timers for links, no to whatever eventualities entosis links bring to dull sec occupancy.

Simply because a better fix would be if ships with cloaks and stabs fitted did not register on the plex timer (including ventures and any other hulls bonused for warp strength).

The rest of the current FW system is superior to the proposed dull sec fix given that reward is given for constant activity. Entosis mechanics still pander to timezones and other aspects similar to timer fights, its like FW lite.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#18 - 2015-04-28 03:36:54 UTC
This is the life of a true solo pilot. You just have to pick your fights and accept that sometimes you won't get a suitable fight. I fly in Amarr/Minmatar FW space as a pirate and just like Black Rise it's rife with links and stabbed farmers but the good fights I get are worth sifting through the crap. Also, the best feeling is when you outplay some overconfident linked pilot unlinked and unimplanted.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#19 - 2015-04-28 09:06:58 UTC
So you suck in pvp and you can not kill anything, so you want CCP to make more sitting duck targets for you.

now tell me how would it be any better?
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#20 - 2015-04-28 09:12:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ggodhsup
ValentinaDLM wrote:
No, and no.
Thank you for your tears, but do remember on grid links means my link alt goes back to flying a falcon, or a griffin cloaked in a novice, etc.I don't really feel like doing that, but if I trained an alt, I am going to use them, and I don't even use links half of the time, but I think it is so hilarious how much it causes people to complain.

And plex mechanics are great, it allows and incentivizes frigate and dessie PVP, if you want entosis links, just goto nullsec there is no reason to make all of eve the same.



dude you have one legit solo kill in all of april.....funny how a guy with a blob thinks links are fine.

edit: neutral logi gets suspect, why cant links?....its arguably just as useful, in fact i would take legion links before i would take logi.
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