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How would I know about "The Blood-Stained Stars" epic arc?
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Kyiin Draeys
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-04 20:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyiin Draeys
I vaguely recall seeing a brief reference to visiting someone about the level 1 Sisters of Eve epic arc. What I'm wondering is, if I wasn't aware of it from the Evelopedia, how would I know this information in the game itself?

I have searched my Epic Journal, Agent Finder, People and Places, Journal, and stared at the screen in my captain's quarters. I have not found any reference to this anywhere. Is it really just a fleeting reference (I can't recall where/where I saw it) at the end of a tutorial mission or something? I have tried talking with all of my career agents, but all they say is that they have no jobs for me. I tried talking to Aura, but she just wants to know whether I want to replay her tutorial.

Is it really meant to be this poorly advertised? Or am I just not using my NeoCom properly? Did I click the wrong button somewhere along the line that deleted the info? I'm curious not because I don't know where to go to start this, but to make sure I remain aware of the opportunities presented to me in the future, without permanently closing doors as I seem to have done in this case.

Thanks!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-12-04 20:30:14 UTC
The SoE lv 1 Epic Arc is mentioned in the last agent dialog after completing each Career Agents 10 part mission series.

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El Boracho
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-04 20:31:51 UTC
I am fairly new also but I enjoy that it is an explorations game rather then one that has a line of bread crumbs to lead you through somebodies ideas of the optimal path.

I suppose if you were part of a missioning corp they might have some information though. Or search the web for Epic Arcs.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2011-12-04 23:11:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
The Blood-Stained Stars is the 'beginner' arc so most people learn about it thru an introduction when they run their introductory (aurora & colleagues) missions ... as ultra-noobs. This is how i first came across that arc. Others, usually who do not complete those intro missions, tend to find out from corpmates in their first corp ... it's a very good way for a very new player to earn some stuff and learn some stuff. Still others find out via word-of-mouth or websites later on.

The main eve wiki epic arcs page refers to it ...

... and has a link to the more detailed subpage ...


Kyiin Draeys wrote:
I have searched my Epic Journal ...


No arc shows in the journal until you've been offered the first mission.

Kyiin Draeys wrote:
Agent Finder, People and Places, Journal, and stared at the screen in my captain's quarters


You will be able to find the starter agent, the beloved Sister Alitura in Arnon, using your agent finder. faction = Sisters of EVE and corp = Sisters of EVE.

people and places is no help unless you've already made contact with the starter agent. only agents you've had conversations with show up in the agents section of your p&p.

journal is no use unless you've already been offered the arc.

staring at the screen in captains quaretrs may appear therapeutic, but won't help you get to fight Dagan.

Kyiin Draeys wrote:
I have not found any reference to this anywhere.


LOL, not being able to find does not equet with doesn't exist :-)

There's lots of information and references out there.

Kyiin Draeys wrote:
Is it really meant to be this poorly advertised?


Either you did not get to the spot where you are steered to Sister A, or you did not notice or follow-up on that opportunity.

Use agent finder to start convo with Sister Alitura and see if she's interested in talking with you.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Kyiin Draeys
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-05 00:33:16 UTC
EVE is so comprehensive in its use of links and cross-referencing that it's a little bewildering how this particular arc beginning is just a brief mention at the end of the tutorials.

I'm aware of the SoE missions, and have played some of that arc with a previous character. I have all of the tools to find out where to go and who to talk to. I'm just a little surprised I actually had to use those tools, given how thoroughly (and brilliantly) CCP has inundated the interface with the aforementioned links and cross-references.

But as I went to go start the arc, I started looking for where to go, and it was nowhere to be found in the places I searched directly in the interface. Granted, the browser is part of the interface and it references the Evelopedia, etc., but that also takes a person outside the pure environment of the game, since it talks about the game as a game. And tells you about a great many things a person could not know (in a role-playing sense), and allows one to see the future with the walk-throughs and such.

Thanks for the replies. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. It's just not there.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2011-12-05 01:22:32 UTC
That beginner arc is the most advertised of all the epic arcs.

I'm not too fussed at eve handholding a little by steering new players to the excellent SoE arc, and I'm similarly pretty happy that the lvl3 and lvl4 arcs tend to be something you stumble over a bit later in your eve journey. To me, the current situation there seems pretty well balanced.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#7 - 2011-12-05 01:32:01 UTC
Yah I have to say eve's new-player-experience is pretty good at weeding out people who just aren't meant for eve. And I mean that in the nicest way. Eve is a game of patience and paying attention. If you don't have the patience to do the tutorials, and can't pay attention enough to see where they refer you to when you're done, you won't live very long. On the other hand they probably could do a better job of having agents you don't have the standings for refer you randomly to agents you can use (or at least lower level agents) or to the epic arc.

I have a vague recollection of knowing that arc was there for ages, but just never being interested in it. I seem to recall the Newbie Help channel (whatever it's called) has an ad for it right in the MOTD.
Kyiin Draeys
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-12-05 01:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyiin Draeys
Jiska Ensa wrote:
Yah I have to say eve's new-player-experience is pretty good at weeding out people who just aren't meant for eve. And I mean that in the nicest way. Eve is a game of patience and paying attention. If you don't have the patience to do the tutorials, and can't pay attention enough to see where they refer you to when you're done, you won't live very long.


I don't see how this comment is relevant whatsoever. I have played Eve for over a year. I just started a new character, and so I know about the Sisters of Eve Arc. My question, if you read it, has nothing to do with "can someone help me find the Sisters of Eve starting location and agent?" It's a question about the consistency and comprehensiveness of the recording/linking functions of the interface. I'm not wondering if there is a SoE arc, or where it is. That's all very well documented in Evelopedia and many other sources. I'm wondering what I did differently this time such that I have no link or reference to these missions.

In every other instance, other than this one, once something is mentioned in the game as far as opportunities for new players, there is a link and a history where you can find exactly where to go. I have no aversion to researching things on the internet and am appropriately savvy and familiar. But in no other instance have I wondered "hmm, maybe I should have jotted that down." Because in every other instance, the game jotted it down for me. So if seemingly everything in the game is set up logically in this manner and has support within the interface, why not this one?

If the answer is, "yeah, sometimes it's just a reference made that you have to take note of." Then great. Thanks for the reply.

But if your answer is "you're not patient enough to play Eve" then perhaps you should rethink that. You mean that in that in the nicest way? Huh?
Kyiin Draeys
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-05 01:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyiin Draeys
Substantia Nigra wrote:
That beginner arc is the most advertised of all the epic arcs.


Cool. Where? I'm not seeing it in the game. Just some parting tips from the tutorials. And then a week later, I think "yeah, I should go start that. Where do I go? What did that agent say?"

If it's advertised in the game itself, please show me. That's exactly what I'm wondering about. I just can't find it in the game. If it's not in the game, then I clearly need to make better use of the Notes accessory.

I know there are logs of chat channels, but I don't know if there are logs of agent conversations. That would not surprise me one bit.


Substantia Nigra wrote:


Kyiin Draeys wrote:
I have not found any reference to this anywhere.


LOL, not being able to find does not equet with doesn't exist :-)

There's lots of information and references out there.


I couldn't agree more! But I mean in the game, not outside the game. Not ... "out there" as you say. :)

Thanks for your helpful point-by-point!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-05 03:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
As I said, after completing the 10 part mission series for any one of the various Career Agents, the closing Agent dialog will mention Sister Alitura in the system of Arnon needing Capsuleers to do the level 1 Epic Arc.

Hopefully, most players will complete the 10 part mission series for each of the 5 different Career Agents before doing anything else and in doing so, will see that message repeated enough times to take notice of it.

I might be mistaken but I believe the center screen in the Captains Quarters will also show Sister Alitura needing Capsuleers.

I don't know if it's still active but there was also a regular Agent mission that had an item drop (Data Log) that contained info about Sister Alitura in Arnon system needing Capsuleers for some very important missions..

Most of the Agent dialogs and on-screen pop up messages, as well as item information descriptions, will contain small random bits of information. What to do with that is up to the player.

CCP has really changed this game a lot and has turned it into being much more New Player friendly compared to how it was before. In the Character selection screen down at the bottom, there's various 'Tips' or hints that can be viewed and cycled through via the arrow buttons. Probably the most important one is 'Right click and show information'.

Anyway, you're right. The in-game Notepad is there just for that reason. Making notes about various different things.

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Kyiin Draeys
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-12-05 04:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyiin Draeys
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Most of the Agent dialogs and on-screen pop up messages, as well as item information descriptions, will contain small random bits of information. What to do with that is up to the player..


I guess I will scrutinize the dialogues a bit more closely. I see that as a positive aspect of the game, if it's more common than this instance. A little responsibility goes a long way in that regard. I don't like to be hand-held. But when the game does SO MUCH for the player, I guess I just assumed it had done so and I was just missing it somehow.

Thanks again.

EDIT: I just re-read what I said and had to laugh. I say the game does so much for the player, yet it has one of the steepest learning curves of any game out there, and a seemingly insurmountable scope. What I mean is just in the interface - it makes things so relatively simple in the face of so much information.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2011-12-05 06:44:25 UTC
At one time, it seemed like every second mission I did was the one where you get the 1 NPC to shoot that drops a book to go see the Sister. I had a big stack of the useless books.

Kind of odd in that I was recently missioning for SoE, doing level 1-3, and never had that mission.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-12-05 22:49:38 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
At one time, it seemed like every second mission I did was the one where you get the 1 NPC to shoot that drops a book to go see the Sister. I had a big stack of the useless books.

Kind of odd in that I was recently missioning for SoE, doing level 1-3, and never had that mission.


Yeah, you wouldn't happen to remember the name of that mission? Anyway, that's why I said I didn't know if that mission was still active. Guess it's no longer active.

What?

CCP needs to have that mission active in the random pool of level 1 missions. That will help insure new players are notified of the SoE Lv 1 Epic Arc.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2011-12-06 02:02:25 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
At one time, it seemed like every second mission I did was the one where you get the 1 NPC to shoot that drops a book to go see the Sister. I had a big stack of the useless books.

Kind of odd in that I was recently missioning for SoE, doing level 1-3, and never had that mission.


Yeah, you wouldn't happen to remember the name of that mission? Anyway, that's why I said I didn't know if that mission was still active. Guess it's no longer active.

What?

CCP needs to have that mission active in the random pool of level 1 missions. That will help insure new players are notified of the SoE Lv 1 Epic Arc.

Humble Beginnings

My Google-fu is stronger! Blink
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-12-07 01:58:27 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:


Yeah, you wouldn't happen to remember the name of that mission?


CCP needs to have that mission active in the random pool of level 1 missions. That will help insure new players are notified of the SoE Lv 1 Epic Arc.

Humble Beginnings

My Google-fu is stronger! Blink


Ahhh thanks. Eve-Survival Mission Reports has that mission listed as a Lv 3 and Lv 4 mission. It definitely should be rated as a Lv 1 mission.

Still don't know if that mission is still active in the Agents random mission pool.

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