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Indy related implants

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Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#1 - 2015-04-24 22:42:35 UTC
I have been considering buying an implant to help speed up my research on my BPOs, however am I right in thinking that a 5% implant will only shave off 2 days of a 40 day research job? or am I missing something here?
Saeko Allas-Rui
Crazydiamond The Works
#2 - 2015-04-25 06:47:46 UTC
If I recall correctly, a +5% implant will apply to what remains after you take your skills and the facility bonus into account.

As an example, take your 40 day long ME job
The skill Metallurgy at V gives you a 25% time bonus (x0.75), researching in a Mobile lab gives you a 30% time bonus (x0.70), the implant gives you 5% (x0.95).

If you take only the implant into account, you get 40x0.95 = 38 days, so a 2 day gain.

If you have metallurgy at V (reasonnable assumption if you're taking 40 day long jobs), the amount in 40x0.75x0.95 = 28,5 days versus 30 days withiut the implant (40x0.75) so a mere 1,5 day, but it's still a gain of 5 %

If you have mettalurgy V and research at a POS, the total time becomes 40x0.75x0.70x0.95 = 19,95 Days versus 21 without the implant, so a 1,05 day gain.

The amount of time gained with the implant reduces with your skills and the facility since it is a multiplier, if you already have skill or are researching at a POS, the gain of the implant will be lower than two days for a base 40 days job.

However, the implant still remains a good choice if you make a living of researching, il allows you to put more jobs in the same time frame, or to be faster than average on new things. I used one for production and my corp was able to be one of the first to mass sell Bowheads despite having lost time tracking the blueprints
Charlie Nonoke
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#3 - 2015-04-25 18:28:54 UTC
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
I have been considering buying an implant to help speed up my research on my BPOs, however am I right in thinking that a 5% implant will only shave off 2 days of a 40 day research job? or am I missing something here?
ONLY?

Once you get into the world of researching, you'll notice that those 2 days are a luxury.
Beggars can't be choosers.

To minimise research times, the following are required;
Research / Metallurgy to V,
A POS with Hyasyoda Research Laboratory,
Cybernetics V to plug in the 5% Beancounter implants; and finally
Advanced Industry to V.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#4 - 2015-04-25 19:14:25 UTC
Thanks for the replies. I don't do research as a full time thing, I currently use a POS and have reseach and metalurgy to V, in fact the only thing we dont have is the specialist lab. so 175m for a days gain on that level of research, I don't think that is worth the expenditure. thanks again

N
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2015-04-25 23:26:14 UTC
I tried a 5% copy implant once...

I tore it out of my alt's head and replaced it with something more useful.

Currently the only useful industry implant is 4% reprocessing, IMHO.
Charlie Nonoke
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#6 - 2015-04-26 00:01:58 UTC
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
Thanks for the replies. I don't do research as a full time thing, I currently use a POS and have reseach and metalurgy to V, in fact the only thing we dont have is the specialist lab. so 175m for a days gain on that level of research, I don't think that is worth the expenditure. thanks again

N
You realise, like most assets in EVE, have a resell value.
The real question is whether the risk is justified to have a Faction Lab in your POS.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#7 - 2015-04-26 07:54:48 UTC
Charlie Nonoke wrote:
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
Thanks for the replies. I don't do research as a full time thing, I currently use a POS and have reseach and metalurgy to V, in fact the only thing we dont have is the specialist lab. so 175m for a days gain on that level of research, I don't think that is worth the expenditure. thanks again

N
You realise, like most assets in EVE, have a resell value.
The real question is whether the risk is justified to have a Faction Lab in your POS.


an implant doesnt have a resell value as it is destroyed rather than removed. If it was removeable to resel i would of course buy it. As for the Lab, the POS I use is not mine and the owner doesnt want to buy one... although I may donate one myself.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#8 - 2015-04-26 08:00:19 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I tried a 5% copy implant once...

I tore it out of my alt's head and replaced it with something more useful.

Currently the only useful industry implant is 4% reprocessing, IMHO.


And this toon doesnt have the reprocessing skills that would even make that useful. I think that.

frustrated rant
The whole making ISK in eve is frustrating me at the moment. I read all these things about people making billions on a monthly basis, even on T1 stuff and I cannot see how they do it. I am making ISK but it isn't actually setting the world on fire. I suppose it comes naturally to some people. I guess I need a mentor of some sort, but I understand why people are unwilling to help to any great degree on this as it will affect them and their incomes.
/frustrated rant lol.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#9 - 2015-04-26 08:22:11 UTC
Tau as always is probably correct that the RX-804 is the most useful industry based hardwiring.

On the subject of ' Joe Smith makes one billion per month ' type comments one billion isn't actually that much ISK although when you first start playing EVE that is a lot of ISK. But you have to take some peoples comments in the forum with a pinch of salt as they can often be exaggerating, plain lying, or trying to lessen the competition for their business/market.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#10 - 2015-04-26 08:46:09 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Tau as always is probably correct that the RX-804 is the most useful industry based hardwiring.

On the subject of ' Joe Smith makes one billion per month ' type comments one billion isn't actually that much ISK although when you first start playing EVE that is a lot of ISK. But you have to take some peoples comments in the forum with a pinch of salt as they can often be exaggerating, plain lying, or trying to lessen the competition for their business/market.


I know that the kinds of misinformation that you mention happen, but there are obviously people making good money. Me for example would ideally like to make profit in order to plex my account, as well as another account (which I dont have yet) as well as several 100 million over to pay for losses etc on my main

So at current plex prices that is 2b a month profit I need to make, i am not even close to that. I try various things in game and sure they make money but not even close to the levels that i need, in fact by trying several different options recently I am down 1.1b, actually looking at the P&L Ive not been in profit this year lol... time for a rethink i think.
Charlie Nonoke
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#11 - 2015-04-26 18:04:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Nonoke
Some people might have half a dozen accounts with fully slotted characters to help them make money, and brag that they make billions a month. Some people can do it with just one character.

Thinking outside the box helps a lot, especially when it comes to exploiting ways to make money.
The easiest would be to look at what's in demand for the next week, and manufacture those units. Move along for the next week.
Watching supply levels is just as crucial.

Another is to get information on what ships + mods will be lost when two big alliances clash it out in the next big space battle.

Others do dev blog speculations on what might make them money.

There's no end on what could make you money.

The person who is most prepared will benefit the most.
That means, he might have all types of ships and mods copied in BPCs, ready to manufacture.
Or he liquidated enough assets for the next big buy in.

But for starters, it's all in industry, and you seem to have stepped into that direction.

If you want to make some profit, and earn your PLEX at the same time, whilst prepare yourself for industry related sessions, do incursions. A stable logi pilot doesn't cost that many SP, and the startup investment is a couple hundred mils, as opposed to the bling bling pirate Battleships and their purple mods.

If you slave out on average 10 hours doing incursions, you can get 1billion easy.
Do that to earn your capital, whilst learning the ropes of the industry way to make your ISK.

My 2 pence.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#12 - 2015-04-26 19:02:34 UTC
Yeah, I am thinking that it is more than likely over many multiple accounts that people make their billions.

Knowing what is in demand for the next week involves hindsight and as we all know hindsight is a wonderful thing. Sure there are some things in dev blogs etc that are clues of what to buy (or not to buy) but there is no way generally of knowing what will be popular or more in demand next week for the most part.

I do try and think outside the box in terms of my ingame knowledge, Ive tried station trading, regional trading, even busy non main hub training, manufactyuring, PI. i've even contact people via evemail when they have purchased large amounts to thanks them for the purchase and if they need anything else to contact me but none of it seems to be massively lucrative. I think 400/500m a month was the most I was making profit, which is great. but not when you are trying for two plex.

Actually thinking about it i wonder if these people not only have multiple accounts, but also lots of time to fine tune their operation.

Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
#13 - 2015-04-27 02:02:01 UTC
You definitely do NOT need multiple accounts to make billions. However, having alts that can be logged in at the same time is helpful or necessary for many activities. The extra skill points help too.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2015-04-27 04:22:33 UTC
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I tried a 5% copy implant once...

I tore it out of my alt's head and replaced it with something more useful.

Currently the only useful industry implant is 4% reprocessing, IMHO.

And this toon doesnt have the reprocessing skills that would even make that useful. I think that.

You are mistaken.

Keep in mind he's a POS manager, not a miner. POS don't run on minerals. Blink

I have another alt for minerals (my shadow, and Rorqual pilot), but he's never had need for a copy implant.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-04-27 09:43:24 UTC
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
Yeah, I am thinking that it is more than likely over many multiple accounts that people make their billions.


Nah. I could probably make a couple billion a month (mix of T1, T2, T3 and faction items), but the work required to do so would tip EVE from 'fun' to 'job', so I don't make anywhere close to that.

One thing though. People who make 2 billion a month probably have 20+ billion invested in that operation. It definitely takes money to make money in this game.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#16 - 2015-04-27 09:52:17 UTC
Traedar wrote:
You definitely do NOT need multiple accounts to make billions. However, having alts that can be logged in at the same time is helpful or necessary for many activities. The extra skill points help too.


Nods, I can see how that would be useful, especially with inter regional trading. I cannot afford cash payments for two accounts sadly, and whilst having another 3 toons would mean that I would at least be able to plex one account, I dont have the real world funds in order to even temp pay for two account, so this account with 3 toons needs to be making more than a plex so i can pay for one account and plex another, until it is hopefully at a stage I can plex 2 accounts (with extra left over)
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#17 - 2015-04-27 09:53:30 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I tried a 5% copy implant once...

I tore it out of my alt's head and replaced it with something more useful.

Currently the only useful industry implant is 4% reprocessing, IMHO.

And this toon doesnt have the reprocessing skills that would even make that useful. I think that.

You are mistaken.

Keep in mind he's a POS manager, not a miner. POS don't run on minerals. Blink

I have another alt for minerals (my shadow, and Rorqual pilot), but he's never had need for a copy implant.


I am lucky in that I have use of a POS but dont own the POS. so someone else does all the admin for that.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#18 - 2015-04-27 09:57:20 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
Yeah, I am thinking that it is more than likely over many multiple accounts that people make their billions.


Nah. I could probably make a couple billion a month (mix of T1, T2, T3 and faction items), but the work required to do so would tip EVE from 'fun' to 'job', so I don't make anywhere close to that.

One thing though. People who make 2 billion a month probably have 20+ billion invested in that operation. It definitely takes money to make money in this game.


Yeah I don't want it being more of a job either so i hear what you are saying there. Interesting comment on the 20b to make 2b, it is something I often forget. That level of investment is not something I could do right now given the funds I have.