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FW & Caldari ships.

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2015-04-26 05:51:42 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
wall of useless.


T2 is what you want to use as soon as possible, at least in weapons, due to the fact that when you fit a ship and it fails because its T1, you can wrongly believe the fit is bad rather than the fact that stats and skillpoints do, in fact, matter.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-04-26 14:04:27 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
wall of useless.


T2 is what you want to use as soon as possible, at least in weapons, due to the fact that when you fit a ship and it fails because its T1, you can wrongly believe the fit is bad rather than the fact that stats and skillpoints do, in fact, matter.

I'm not a PvPer and will not claim to be a PvP expert. However it does not take a rocket surgeon to know that experience is your best teacher and the more experience that you get the better of a pilot you will become.

When you blow up in this game you should not be looking to assess blame but rather seek out learning from the experience. Go watch some Rooks and Kings videos. Do you think that those guys got to where they are by playing the blame game after each loss? I doubt it. More likely they kept putting themselves into progressively more and more difficult situations and after each win probably found a way to stack the odds even less in their favor because there is not much learning or growth in a win. If you suck and want to be good or are good and want to be better you don't look for easy wins you look for close losses meaning fights that you lost but were close to winning.

The simple fact remains that while better stats might improve you chances of winning in a given situation that the tougher the situations that you put yourself into the more you will learn. So even an experienced PvP pilot would be better served flying cheaper fit ships from a learning stand point. He would become a better pilot flying cheaper fit ships. Now that might not help his killboard stats but it will improve his skill and knowledge.

If new players were to listen to your advice then they would not play until they were all level 5 skills for the ship that they were flying and then they would only fly officer fit rare Alliance tournament rewards ships.

I stick by what I said earlier that if you want to learn how to PvP in this game then get out there and do it and do it a lot. If your dad is Bill Gates and you can buy as many PLEXs as you want then PvP in as expensive of ship as you want but if you are fitting T2 guns and that causes you to only be able to loose 3 ships this week instead of 10 ships today then you are not helping yourself.

Also if you notice my post was 'thumbsed up" by multiple PvP pilots so it's not just my perspective which is one that comes from an admitted lack of experience.

This is not a game like WoW where they have PvP that is strictly balanced where you have a set number of players of the same level and similar "gear" going against each other where little differences in stats can be the difference between winning and loosing. In that game you will never see a level 100 toon loose to a level 5 toon. In Eve everything is situational and player knowledge and skill is far more important than any character or "gear" stats.

You are giving bad advice to new players and propagating a perspective that comes from other games that we vets have a hard enough time as it is teaching new players to get over without you making it worse. This advice that you give might be good advice for someone fighting sov warfare or making youtube videos ( but then they would already know that ) however this is terrible advice for new players looking to learn the game and this is the New Character Q&A section of the forum.

Further the title of the post was about FW and if you are looking at faction warfare from a win / loss stand point then yes fit all T2 but if you are looking at it from an isk lost versus LP gained stand point then your advice might not be so good. So instead of arguing with me why you can't win without T2 please try and think about what advice would help a new player looking to learn the game.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-04-26 17:19:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
13kr1d1 wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
wall of useless.


T2 is what you want to use as soon as possible, at least in weapons, due to the fact that when you fit a ship and it fails because its T1, you can wrongly believe the fit is bad rather than the fact that stats and skillpoints do, in fact, matter.

You both have decent points here. Yes, t2 weapons are a good priority for a new player because they have the highest immediate impact on your damage output. However paper DPS isn't everything and when you have low skills you learn to accomplish your goal through other means. Range, tracking, speed, ewar, cap warfare, and damage mitigation all have just as high an impact if exploited correctly. Not having t2 is NOT a good excuse to sit in the station when you could be out learning all these valuable lessons just as easily in a t1 fit.

I once killed a Daredevil in a Breacher using only a single launcher, for a pitiful amount of DPS. I could easily have killed him using a t1 launcher because I used my other high slots to neut him out completely so he couldn't do anything. Instead of using your t1 fitting as an excuse for losing, ask yourself what "wildcard" you can throw in to win anyway. Yes, as a new player with limited experience you are going to lose often, but each loss should teach you something. If you shrug it off as "they had a better fit" you are cheating yourself out of a learning experience and will surely die to a neut breacher with 30 dps when you undock your first t2 ship.

ergherhdfgh wrote:
I'm not a PvPer and will not claim to be a PvP expert.

I think you know enough to give it a shot. Big smile

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