Jita Park Speakers Corner

This is not how the CSM works. A potential candidate represents their own interests. If these interests are your own, you vote for that person.

It has been said before & will be said many times more: If you don't like the current CSM, actually stand behind a high sec candidate next time. There is plenty of high sec candidates each year, but carebears never bother to vote. You can't blame lack of representation on anyone but yourselves.

Because its the best way to get rid of bad leaders.

If you use strongarm tactics to get rid of bad leaders, then it gets harder and header because the leaders end up being the ones who are good at taking power rather than giving it.

What would you suggest as an alternative ?

Null sec space has never driven my experience of EvE. I could care less what goes on out there most of the time, other than I'm disappointed that the sovereignty mechanics out there sound as broken as our own Faction Warfare mechanics in lowsec, and on that point I sympathize. Every player deserves a slice of the game that they find uniquely enjoyable and appealing.

The closest thing Null sec has ever gotten to "driving" my gameplay experience was when Pandemic Legion came back to Amamake and started hot dropping the militia with supercaps left and right. But really, they weren't really "driving" anything, they simply provided a new challenge to adapt to. The militias' own large fleets ground to a halt, and we shipped instead into smaller ships to engage Pandemic's stray subcapitals as they came and went throughout the area. Barring this though, null sec events have had absolutely no impact on my EvE experience, simply because I abstained from ever moving out there.

The idea that null sec somehow "drives EvE" is ridiculous. Likewise, many, many individuals from nullsec and wormhole space have explained in great detail that they are self reliant in their own spheres and do not rely on highsec industrialists to supply them with ships and goods. Your assertion that the only purpose for high sec dwellers (particularly indy) is to serve null sec and W-space would be utterly rejected by most serious null and W-space alliances.

In the end, its not even about one sector of the game "driving" the other. It's about diversity. Diversity in player attitudes, player interests, diversity of gameplay options available. Players enjoy different levels of risk, different levels of reward, different levels of safety, and different activities to engage in different areas.

I believe that "end game" activities should be present wherever a pilot decides to plant his / her roots. For some like myself, the battles between the warring militias have been the end game. We specialize in subcap warfare, and are a committed group of PvP'ers that live every day to improve our skills in a smaller fleet environment, pushing ourselves more and more as we've grown older. We enjoy flying in combat where we are not a number or a target to be called in alphabetical order, but a team of friends that rely on each other's individual decision-making in the heat of a battle.

High sec dwellers should have their end-game options as well. PvE content that is rich, compelling, and challenging should go beyond level 4 missions (stale as year-old bread) and Incursions (Great idea, but how fast can anyone get into a fleet? There isn't enough activity here to support all that want to partake.) Not only that, but some of the most cutthroat market games and industry wars also take place in high-sec around the trade hubs. CCP touts scamming and deception in the market as a viable core form of gameplay, and no where is this more alive than deep in the heart of Jita. Since Alliances have been very clear they don't rely on high sec industrialists, I think its very evident that the only thing driving high sec is high sec itself.

The CSM should not be comprised of members who represent one demographic or the other, but of individuals who treat all players as being valid for wanting to live and play where they want to live and play, and are willing to encourage that seriously broken systems are fixed regardless of the security space they reside in. Your marginalization of a group of players because they don't play the way you do is just poor sportsmanship, plain and simple.

Again, I disagree that the "hardcore" = null sec. Many Alliances are simply well organized large bodies of low-skilled pilots, who in the absence of central leadership would be (and have proven to be) utterly rubbish in combat situations on their own. There are just as many meh pilots in nullsec as there are ace pilots in and around low sec and high sec.

You are still trying to make the assertion that nullsec players are somehow more important than high sec players, simply because they engage in "3pic battles".

I'm sorry, but "X"-ing up in a battleship and following a fleet around for hours only to die instantly once primaried in a massive 300-person attrition battle is NOT my definition of fun. I've never moved out to 0.0 and made a habit of that kind of PvP because I simply don't find it that hardcore. Supercaps are even more one-dimensional and boring. I'll take flying a Scimitar in a small BC gang any day over that nonsense. I want my actions to have meaning, the larger the fleet, the less of a difference I make.

Your corrected statement that PvP drives industry, is absolutely correct. Our own corp has industrial roots in high sec, that fuel our war machine in lowsec. However, your argument that the "hardcore nullsec" crowd is somehow more vital to the game than everyone else (and should therefore have more influence on the council) is ridiculous.

+1.
Yup, it's better to have some fun then wasting time here.

Those past years showed it's pointless arguing here.
CCP makes some visibility that they see what's going on, respond and nothing happends.

The CSM is nothing more than a tool of the Goons and the Large Zero Alliances. To say that it is simply a matter of High Sec voter turnout to change that is pure ignorance and self serving posturing.

The election process as it currently exists makes certain that only large coordinated groups will continue to control the CSM as long as it remains a "one toon-one vote" democracy where the simple majority wins a seat. This method of election does NOT represent the players at large or on average, but elects ONLY those representatives that reflect the interests of the LARGEST BLOCKS in Eve. By definition, Zero Space Alliances and the Goons are large blocks because they are the only groups that can survive in zero, so naturally they will win the elections since they can bring to bear the most BLOCKS OF VOTES. This is compounded by Alts voting.

High Sec is made up of disorganized smaller groups who do not coordinate their votes due to lack of any central control and disparate interests. Additionally, part of High Sec (about the same number as in Zero) are actually Zero Alts, so there are fewer voters not affiliated with Zero than you might think.

Popular Democracy is Dictatorship of the Masses, but when the the masses serve the will of "The One" (as in the Goons) or the The Few (as in the large Alliances) then you get what you have in Eve. This is the reason for Republican forms of government, to protect the few from exploitation of the many. Welcome to Political Science 101.

You're right, i've forwarded a few suggestions with disparage success. Will dive into the forums for them if you really want the links, but here's a list:

- Many suggestions to add social content to WiS, including but not limited to: a "videoconference" mode with "holographic avatars" that was parallel to private chat; the ability to hire public areas for private meetings; agent offices to meet them ""in person""; the ability to dance actual ball styles; certain amount of interactable NPCs to spend a while chatting (maybe providing gossip, news from Interstellar correspondents, notices on dev blogs... that is, CCP or community-made content)

- a way to implement on-demand consensual PvP and a "PvP league"

- a suggestion to replace nullsec belts with gravity sites so bots stop messing with mining

- a suggestion to give miners a "one shot shield" that allowed them to flee and survive anything short of a blob

- a suggestion to give miners a sort of "warpable POS shield" so they can retreat and flee from anything short of a blob

Ironically i haven't thought much on what to do with mission running. I would go the PvP League way if I could, plus the social WiS, actually.

Also i've been munching on some nicer stuff for WiS (FAI, "holodecks" borrowing DUST assets so capsuleers could shoot each other without dieing).

The point is: you got one hour, you want to have fun and/or meet a challenge, what can EVE do for you?

"Nothing" and "risk to be anally fu**ed by bored bullies" are suicidal anwsers.


I don't know where you get the "elite" bit from. I think the word you're looking for is "hilarious".[/quote]

Well, "elite" players used to blow miners "for fun" so I guess that if "elite" blows out miners, then blowing miners is "elite".

Anyway I may be confused by being so "risk averse" that I can't risk to blow a expensive, defenseless ship worth weeks of gameplay, to have fun and f**k somebody else.

In between "butthurt miner", my miner alt never had a PvP encounter, not even during the last Hulkageddon; it's just that i wonder WTF are thinking those ORE guys by designing 200 millon ISK bullseyes in an universe where they can be blown to pieces by any granma and her peashooter...

Nice move.... again.. CCP

Funny, NOTHING you said in any way contradicted the FACTS I set out. Was there a point to your "Hurf Durf" as you call it?
But then you are the King of Hurf Durf, aren't you?

The dancing bit sounds like ew, but whatever. I see nothing particularly bad about this, I'm sure they'll eventually get around to this if they don't go back to ******* up EVE with vampires and other dumb games.


Add the ability to place bets on who wins or loses, and you have another hisec activity, while people who want to be ~elite PVPers~ can pretend they are.


They'll just get the ability to probe, or someone'll probe for them and give them bookmarks. Oh dear what a hurdle.


Trade, build, chat, get new orders, check market, do a spot of exploring, do some PI, manipulate the market a bit. vOv


Again, goons blowing up miners has absolutely nothing to do with "being elite", and everything with it being absolutely ******* hilarious. Have you seen some of the tears of rage some people come up with? And then they pay you for protection, and get even more rage going when you blow them up yet again?

That's worth money, that is.