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Sanmatar Shakor, Please Explain Your Statements on Lakat-Hro

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Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#1 - 2015-04-23 05:18:23 UTC
AN OPEN LETTER TO SANMATAR SHAKOR:

On March 10 of YC111, you issued a public statement that the Lakat-Hro Caravan was in fact destroyed during the events in SL-YBS on the day of the Seyllin Incident.

We now have been aware for several months that this is not in fact the case, as evidenced by the wreckage of the caravan's Hel supercarrier, defying all known wormhole physics relative to mass, that sits rotting in Thera, presumably destroyed by the massive burst that shattered that system's planet.

On behalf of my lost Thukker kin as well as the scientists of Minmatar heritage throughout New Eden and beyond, I ask you and the Tribal Council to answer to the Tribes and the scientific community working alongside the many tribal organizations, and tell us the rest of what is known about the fate of the Lakat-Hro caravan.


Rhavas

Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#2 - 2015-04-23 10:00:03 UTC
You're quite naive if you believe the Shakor regime cares for the Thukkers.

In any perspective more involving than 'political puppets', that is.
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Nissui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-04-26 07:08:56 UTC
Clan Idisen have enjoyed a kinship with a number of the Thukker caravans that pass through the Heath to and from the Wildlands. We admire their courage and vision as they answer the Vasty Dark's enigmatic call.

However, the inconsistency of the Lakat-Hro account highlighted here by pilot Rhavas, one supported by the data aggregation utility of the Neocom, gives us cause for concern with respect to our intrepid cousins.

Sadly, due in part to the unexpected loss of Tribal Council delegates Fredur Holgeli and Muska Kaltash, we must send our seconds of entreaty directly to the Vherokior tribal council in an attempt to solicit clarification from the Sanmatar. So it is done.

We hope that other clans who wish to facilitate inter-tribal amity will likewise support the Caravans, and I wish to acknowledge Rhavas personally for bringing this matter to light.

Spirits keep the Tribes.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-04-26 19:16:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Leopold Caine wrote:
You're quite naive if you believe the Shakor regime cares for the Thukkers.

In any perspective more involving than 'political puppets', that is.


And you are blind if you think any one of the Tribes is any less than any other in the assembly. The Republic owes the Thukkers much as well as Shakor personally.

Your attempts to divide only highlight your ignorance of what binds.

And I am sure when the Lakat-Hro Caravan disappeared nearly everyone thought they were dead. When they may have appeared later alive, there would be no reason to correct that assumption on a public scale at all. In fact, it would be detrimental to the Republic, the Sisters of Eve, and the Thukker Tribe.

The families of those who were lost as well as those who went beyond where we thought possible paid the price for what they found and it does not honor them to try and expose the secrets they bought with their suffering.

ooc: edit(Was a typo meant to be what bind the tribes together, going to leave it as is however)

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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#5 - 2015-04-28 10:23:37 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
You're quite naive if you believe the Shakor regime cares for the Thukkers.

In any perspective more involving than 'political puppets', that is.


And you are blind if you think any one of the Tribes is any less than any other in the assembly. The Republic owes the Thukkers much as well as Shakor personally.


Of course, it obviously cares enough to write up some kind of an explanation that doesn't defy raw evidence pilots Rhavas and Nissui have mentioned here already.

Quote:
Your attempts to divide only highlight your ignorance of what binds.


What binds the Republic? Apparently, merely an empty no-questions-asked propaganda doctrine.
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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-04-28 23:08:02 UTC
Releasing sensitive information that could get people killed just to save some face is what they would do if they did not care about the Thukker Leopold.

Have you also considered that maybe Einnar Aeboul has not told Shakor? Because in no way is he obliged to in the Tribal Assembly.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#7 - 2015-04-29 03:22:06 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Releasing sensitive information that could get people killed just to save some face is what they would do if they did not care about the Thukker Leopold.

Have you also considered that maybe Einnar Aeboul has not told Shakor? Because in no way is he obliged to in the Tribal Assembly.


This has nothing to do with the Thukker Chieftain, and everything to do with the Sanmatar's statement. The fact of the matter is that the caravan was NOT destroyed in the Seyllin Incident. It survived.

So why did Sanmatar Shakor say it had been destroyed? Either he misled with insufficient information and poor investigation, or he lied, whatever his purpose may have been.

I would, of course, accept Chieftain Aeboul's statement in lieu of Sanmatar Shakor's.

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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-04-29 11:31:59 UTC
Ayallah wrote:

And you are blind if you think ...


Ayallah wrote:

Your attempts to divide only highlight your ignorance of what binds.


I don't think I was disgusted by minmatars ever more than I am feeling it today.

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Khimi Harar
#9 - 2015-04-29 18:10:25 UTC
Rhavas wrote:


This has nothing to do with the Thukker Chieftain, and everything to do with the Sanmatar's statement. The fact of the matter is that the caravan was NOT destroyed in the Seyllin Incident. It survived.

So why did Sanmatar Shakor say it had been destroyed? Either he misled with insufficient information and poor investigation, or he lied, whatever his purpose may have been.

I would, of course, accept Chieftain Aeboul's statement in lieu of Sanmatar Shakor's.


Just because the wreckage of the super-carrier involved has been found does not mean there were survivors. It's just as possible that they were all killed and the wormhole brought a portion of the wreckage to Thera. Given what we know regarding mass limits, this seems likely to me. I have no idea why Shakor hasn't said anything, maybe he's embarassed?

What I think is interesting is the SoE presence in Thera. If there were survivors of this caravan, why wouldn't a self-proclaimed humanitarian organization announce anything?
iyammarrok
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-04-29 19:14:22 UTC
massive solar storm devastates a system.
wreckage found in that system is of a Thukker caravan.

Caravan reported lost, only wreckage found.

seems like 'well, looks like it went pop' is a valid theory, and as, at the time, there was no data at all to the contrary, can you really blame the government at the time from assuming that it was destroyed?

now, years later, we find out it wasn't, or that at least some wreckage survived, and this means what? that Shakor must have known, or been personally responsible?

Seems unlikely.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#11 - 2015-05-01 14:33:25 UTC
I just saw this come across the feed. It seems you have your answer. From The Scope no less.

The Scope wrote:
SANMATAR SHAKOR DECLINES TO COMMENT ON CAPSULEER REQUEST FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON LAKAT-HRO CARAVAN, CITING CONCERNS FOR REPUBLIC SECURITY.

I was hoping for more from the Sanmatar. The final hours of the Lakat-Hro caravan must be accounted for, if there is ever to be peace for our brothers and sisters. And justice taken from the hides and hulls of those responsible for the disaster that took them from us.