Intergalactic Summit

I understand, and yes there was a tongue-in-cheek element to the rebuttal.

I would like to mention though, that there are caring and professional people who tend for the people they own. And in more cases than you might believe, it is a mutually spiritual relationship, especially within the Empire. Outside the Empire, organizations like the Cartel that engage in the purchase and resale of slaves almost have to treat them as well as they can. It may seem harsh to people not familiar with how things work, but simply, you can't turn a profit if you sell shoddy goods. I should also mention that the Angel Cartel, as my own home of Khanid, do not discriminate by race. We don't seek one group over another.






Funny that, isn't it?

You'd be amazed how many laws we're actually not bound by.

And how much redemption costs in actual ISK.

This is more or less what I would say.

Education in the Empire is no more or less indoctrination than education in the Federation which espouses the values of liberty and personal freedoms. Every system of education would seek to impress upon young minds the value of their cultural heritage.

It is our cultural heritage. Most of us have been living in the Empire for generations and our culture is Amarrian culture. The Republic isn't our home, its culture and traditions are not ours.

The history of my people is the history of Amarr. Our culture and traditions are Amarrian culture and traditions.

Then your Federation should stop calling everyone in its borders Gallentean, Antolliere. Your nation is filled with many people who were raised with Gallentean culture and traditions despite not being of Gallentean lineage.

Our culture and traditions are based on where and by whom we are born and raised. Slaves are not True but we are Amarrian, even if some want to reject that.

They are legal citizens of the Empire yet. Until such a time as they are what they are given should be looked at as a if it were a gift and not taken for granted. A great many things they learn will benefit and improve their lives, this however will see them learning from Amarrian institutions who have no reason or obligation to instruct them in any culture but our own.

I once thought just like this, but now I realize just how wrong I was.




Liam, your point of view is very close to my line of thinking these days. In fact I think you articulated it much more eloquently than I would have.

Many families have been slaves for generations, Under what I would see as being your own argument, what harm could be done from letting them know "this is where you came from" after all as some examples here have shown, the talons are dug rather deep?

Meh. I have been through both the Caldari and the Gallente systems of education and neither would take special trouble to educate a pupil according to their original ethnic culture.

My heritage is not Matari and will never be. I would kindly ask you to stop trying to assert what my heritage is or should be... Really, it is very rude of you.

No doubt. They wouldn't go through any trouble to repress it either, though. Nor force the parents to never teach it.

Mademoiselle Farel,

I'm not overly concerned with how you perceive my assertions nor am I going to try and force you to abandon what you've accepted as your culture. My intention is not to state that individuals like yourself and Mademoiselle Kernher should abandon everything and flee to a nation you've no familiarity with beyond an outside perspective.

My intention is to state that a people seeking to cling to the cultural heritage of their forebears is well within their rights to do so and actively seeking to dissuade that practice, actively reinforcing the mindset that such a culture is lost or wrong somehow is more than a simple "education," as has been asserted more than once in this thread.

Yes, it is a form of cultural assimilation. We could debate the nuances of brainwashing back and forth for a time and likely never reach a consensus so I'll concede the point to you.

Mademoiselle Kernher,

Point out for me where I said it was a choice by children to choose their culture and traditions, you won't find it. On the contrary, I asserted that it is the choice of the parents (in most societies) to make that choice and determine the education, traditions and culture they impart upon their children (in the case of a cultural identity and heritage being taught by the parents while the children are surrounded by a different culture, the choice eventually becomes the child's to choose which aspects of each culture they adopt as their own). I then contrasted that practice against the forced eradication and replacement of the Minmatar culture and traditions within the Empire, asserting that the choice has been largely removed even from the parents because generation-by-generation has been intentionally distanced and removed from that original culture and tradition, not by the parents, not by the natural process of assimilation but by the intentional force of a conquering power.

The defining point being that it was an intentional erasure of those points of culture and tradition that defined a people as Minmatar, so thoroughly as to actively discourage any attempt to teach children the heritage of their forebears. You don't have to like it, but it's the truth of what has happened.

It's not intended as a personal slight against you, nor is it intended to assert that any one who is a product of such an assimilation should be unhappy and feel wronged. Truly, there are examples of quite proud and happy people who have adopted to a new cultural identity, such as yourself.

The point is simply that your cultural identity is Amarr because the Amarr have left you no other option. Your parents weren't given a choice, their parents weren't given a choice, nor their parents or their parents before them. Your identity as a Minmatar was eradicated one generation at a time by force, by intention, by dominance. Quite successfully.

Now, clearly the discussion has waxed personal and I've been insensitive toward you and others with my remarks. That was not my intention and I do apologize for that transgression. I will strive to be more careful.