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A Question to The Matari Capsuleers

Author
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#21 - 2015-04-25 05:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Tabor Murn wrote:
Slavery is likely the focal point for many Minmatar Militia corporations because it is such an inflammatory issue and because unlike all of the other reasons the OP listed as reasons to go to war with the Amarr, slavery is the only ongoing issue.

I would like to echo Pilot Nissui's statement that few Militia corporations fight explicitly for the Minmatar cause. Unfortunately a great majority fight for fun and/or personal profit.

Slavery is a "made up" issue. It is just way of life, and good, acceptable way of life.
What is a real issue, is making drama and issue of slavery.

Fighting us for slavery would be like if we would fight you, Mr. Murn, for having your tattoos. You wouldn't be happy about that, if we would come now to your worlds, saying tattoos are bad and we will fight until last tattoo will disappear? Well, you are doing the same about our slavery.


But fighting for slavery is the same as you fighting us over tattoos, it is OUR art form, part of OUR culture, in the same way that the subjugation of our people via slavery was an attack on our way of life. One of the goals of your reclamation was to destroy our culture to instill the Amarr faith, was it not? I don't want to turn this into another slavery topic, really that is the exact opposite of what I'm trying to do. In the same vein that was one of the things you tried to abolish in your invasions, in your attempt to destroy us. Please don't take this as me trying to confront you on this, but I would like to hear your response on this...
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-04-25 08:55:01 UTC
You have every right to ask and there is no need to apologize.

The Militias are for-profit proxy wars sanctioned by CONCORD. Why people chose to fight in them are many and varied but the king is I.S.K. The Minmatar Militia is the most for-profit out of the four, having a long grey history of being blatantly and secretly manipulated to maximize the profits of all who invest. All Militias do this but to varying degrees and to degrees of visibility. The Republic has capitalized on this and makes quite a lot of money off of it. Because of CONCORD's strict regulations and the for-profit nature of the Militias they are more an extension of economic warfare and privateering than war. That is not to say that people do not die every day in the FW zones but it is vastly safer than public perception might paint a real war zone for the average civilian colonist of mixed descent living in a contested system.

Because of this most people who want to fight for their people go to the Republic Fleet or in Clan or Tribal Militaries. Those who choose the life of the independent capsuleer or have it chosen for them do so often because they want to get away from the Republic for whatever reasons or, more likely have never been there. Inversely, finding a child in the Republic who does not want to grow up to join the fleet is very difficult. Perception would have you think that all the streets of the Empire are paved in gold but the truth is the typical Amarrian lives lower on the development scale than the typical Matari. So too is it with perception of Matari capsuleers, we seem a fractured group of little better than pirates because it is rare for 'loyal' Matari capsuleers to do anything but join the fleet and stay in the Republic.

Deitra Vess wrote:
f we succeed in freeing our brothers and sisters, they’ll just come back for them or they have been indoctrinated into the Amarr faith and will really just cause them pain for years to show them who they really are.

So people have been saying since before the rebellion. The Republic is made of millions of cultures and religions and ways of thinking and for a thousand years they found a peaceful balance. We can find it again, all Matari were once converts to the Amarrian faith before this republic was ever even a hope and billions of Matari openly practice the Amarrian religion in the Republic. The individual actions of a handful of hateful people are not the will of a people.

Deitra Vess wrote:
in the inception of our republic, many of us left to go to the Federation, or off to other places, such as working for the angel cartel and other pirate organizations. Many of our own capsuleers have followed this trend. What is this exactly saying about our people? We can’t even retain our own blood

This is a very common misconception, there was no mass exodus from the Republic to the Federation, there was a mass exodus of freed slaves from the Empire. Trillions of people who had nothing but a name to unify them. Nothing but the bare shadow of tribal culture that had survived centuries of enslavement, indoctrination, and the organized destruction of all tradition, language, history, art, and even genetic legacy by the largest and most powerful of all the empires. The Day of Darkness fell over Matar and a handful of planets, planets the Empire had exploited just as totally and as uncaringly as they had exploited our people. If Matar and all the colonies had been returned to us pristine they still would not have held our numbers, not if every city on them was as dense as the lower districts of Dam Torsad and as tall as the towers of Caille.

More to the point there was literally no place to go for the freed slaves. The Federation took them in, pirates took them in, ...and some found their way to the ravaged world of Matar. Less than one hundred and fifty years later, The Republic is one of the Empires, The Angel Cartel, omnipresent. And since the one day war there are always more Matari 'returnees' (a misnomer as the vast majority have never been to the Republic or Matar it is still the go-to term in the republic for immigrants) than those who are leaving. However, we are the most populous of all the races in new Eden: If every Matari registered in the Federation and enslaved in the Empire were to enter the Republic it would become the largest Empire by population twice over. The number of Matari returnees would be over twice the population of the State, effectively quadrupling the size of the Republic It is estimated that far more Matari are uncounted, populating the pirate factions and swaths of nullsec. In less than a hundred and fifty years the population of the Republic went from almost nothing to nearly six trillion. As incredible a feat as this is, The enslaved population of the Empire is estimated at over ten trillion. The number of Matari who were freed but are still are living in the Federation is nearly seven trillion.

The craters their weapons left on Matar are nothing to the strip mines they made us carve. Their monstrous and evil destruction of our history, culture, and way of life left only a memory of a memory of a memory. Miss what you have never known.

But trillions of people, your uncle, your parents your great grandfather. No one is blind to that wound.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-04-25 10:37:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Antolliere
Luna Hanaya wrote:

Slavery is a "made up" issue. It is just way of life, and good, acceptable way of life.
What is a real issue, is making drama and issue of slavery.

Fighting us for slavery would be like if we would fight you, Mr. Murn, for having your tattoos. You wouldn't be happy about that, if we would come now to your worlds, saying tattoos are bad and we will fight until last tattoo will disappear? Well, you are doing the same about our slavery.


This comparison is laughable. Preposterous, even.

To be succinct:

Slavery is the practice of suppressing an individual's will and enforcing your own, it is an external oppression.

Tattoos are an expression of oneself (or a cultural/spiritual identification in the case of the Matari).

Tattoos do not remove your will and supplant their own, slavery does.

That you would even have the audacity to compare the two with a straight face is ludicrous.




To be less succinct:

Let us test your statement, shall we?

Here is my offer:

Henceforth, you are my subject. My "slave" if you will.

I will spend every day reinforcing the notion that your God doesn't exist, that your Empire is corrupt and inefficient and needs to be destroyed for the good of humanity.

I will "educate" you in the proper way of things by instructing you on individual liberties, human dignity and intrinsic rights.

If you attempt the read the Scriptures or pray to your God, I will burn your books, destroy your datapads and physically punish you for your misbehavior.

Any practice of your culture that you attempt to cling to, I will punish with increasing severity until you understand that your culture is a violation of human dignity and liberty.

I will destroy your cultural relics, supplant your cultural identity, abolish any reference to your once glorious Empire so that all you are left with are the bittersweet memories of a time and place that once was.

Then, I will replace those memories with the notion that you never belonged there to begin with. That it was your destiny from the start to be my subject, that it is my calling and my purpose in life to elevate you to a proper understanding of the order of things.

You will be my subject until you understand and accept what I am teaching you.

You, your children, your grandchildren. Your children's children's children.

This cycle will continue indefinitely until I determine that you are fit to join the greater society around you. Until I know there is nothing left of your old self and all that is left is the image of you that I wish for there to be.

Then, and only then, can you tell me that tattoos are a sin against humanity worthy of war.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-04-25 10:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Graelyn wrote:
Peace was possible. It was a road many on both sides detested, but it lived anyways, through the sheer willpower of the Midulars and Heiderans of the cosmos.

It was the only way forward for either of us, for make no mistake, the Reclaiming/Republic question WAS the fulcrum upon which Imperial politics hinged.

That war was fought in shadow, but it was fought. Bitterly.

Peace won. To this day I still don't know how. But we did.

Then, one day, we were all betrayed. CONCORD, Empire, Republic, and even Federation.

Now, we have all the corpses we could ever want.
Endless war.
Endless misery.
The conflict will posses a geologic timeline. Stars will extinguish before this hatred does.

Those responsible are still there, still trying to manhandle an ineffective half-democracy. The Parliament is a shambles, and the people suffer on to this day. None will hold them accountable. An Orbital Strike would probably be necessary.

I was told as a child that the only good Tribal was a dead one. That Extermination should be the only fate for those who would resist the Chains of Reclaiming. In School, in University, in Seminary. It wasn't the majority opinion, to our credit, but it was still loudly proclaimed wherever proud foolish children chose to express themselves.

I never believed it.
I never believed it.

Well,
there are lessons that the Lord has to teach us that we see as...that we cannot bring ourselves to believe, to understand...

Eventually, even a Fool learns.

I've heard some rumors about what the Tribals did to their 'Ray of Matar'...

The Lord loves his creations, and his gifts to the Matari people are incredible. But the creation of Man that is the Minmatar Republic, is Damned.
It is an Institution of Atrocity, and if we are worthy enough as His people, one day we will burn it from Form and Memory.

May its ashes never cool.

Nine hundred and ninety eight years ago the self-proclaimed chosen of god found a people who had only known peace.

They were struck by the sight of a people blessed more than they, with a garden that was a beautiful, harmony and peace and equality, free from want and strife and fear. So frightened were they that they may have been wrong, that they would have to pay for the blood they spilled in their own gain that they could not allow the people of peace to live. They burned whole star systems in their fear and greed and lust.

They raped planets and populations, they killed children for singing the songs their parents sang to them. They destroyed every book, every building, destroyed languages, eradicated history. So great was their hunger and depravity and fear that they sought to take everything the people had and destroy it utterly, to make it as if it never was. For centuries they gorge themselves in the blood of the people of peace, convinced of god's desires.

How could they not convince themselves, to think otherwise is to look in the face the monstrous things they had done. A demon, far worse than than the demons they invented to teach the fear of god. Blindness and hubris led the self-proclaimed chosen of god, led them to their defeat by the Jove and on that day the people of peace revolted. Many were freed but not all.

God's blessings were apparent as the people of peace returned to the grave their garden had been and it began to grow beautiful again. When the people of peace found all the old ways the self-proclaimed had declared destroyed by the will of god. When they found all the people they thought lost. God's blessings were apparent as the people of peace again found harmony. No more could the self-proclaimed of god hide the truth of what they had done. Except in their own hearts and minds where they believed their own lies far beyond where God's voice could find them.

All their power and hate and lies and uncountable atrocities and sins,were nothing before the will of God. A thousand years of torment and enslavement, had not dimmed the fire they had seen in the people of peace. It had done nothing to hide the blessings god piled upon them as they rose in strength to rival even that of the self-proclaimed.

One hundred and thirty seven years since the people of peace escaped the control of the self-proclaimed who cry and lament for peace in the cities of gold their slaves built them. The self-proclaimed chosen of God, doing all the evil mankind can conceive in promise of heaven only to see it below them on Matar. How such a sight must have shattered their minds and made men into demons who gave in to their fear and hate and lust and greed.

How they must fear the will of the people of Matar, the will they could not extinguish even with all their strength when the people knew only peace. How they must fear the will of the people who now know only war and the pain the self-proclaimed visited upon them.

How hollow their prayers to God must sound as their fear of the people they wronged grows and grows.

"God, please do not let the people of peace grow strong. Please do not give the people of peace power over us for surely they will remember when we had power over them."

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#25 - 2015-04-25 11:14:38 UTC
"People of peace"

Is that the faith you've replaced God with, Ayallah?
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2015-04-25 13:00:26 UTC
Luna Hanaya wrote:

Slavery is a "made up" issue. It is just way of life, and good, acceptable way of life.
What is a real issue, is making drama and issue of slavery.

Fighting us for slavery would be like if we would fight you, Mr. Murn, for having your tattoos. You wouldn't be happy about that, if we would come now to your worlds, saying tattoos are bad and we will fight until last tattoo will disappear? Well, you are doing the same about our slavery.


The Amarr actually fought against Matari tattoos, until last tatto disappeared - which never came to fruition...

Liam Antolliere wrote:

Tattoos do not remove your will and supplant their own, slavery does.


Technically, the Voluval does...
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2015-04-25 13:06:54 UTC
Ayallah wrote:

Nine hundred and ninety eight years ago the self-proclaimed chosen of god found a people who had only known peace.


Is that what you call... an objective view of History ? I find the idea rather offensive. Any historian should know better.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-04-25 13:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Antolliere
Lyn Farel wrote:
Technically, the Voluval does...[remove your will and supplant another]


Far be it from me to speak in lieu of the Matari but as this was in response to my statement, allow me to respond.

The Voluval, from my outside understanding, is a ritual which reveals the "path" an individual Matari is destined to travel by the spirits which govern the Matari.

It doesn't suppress the individual will of the Matari undergoing the ritual, even those who bear the mark that makes them an outcast. What it does is reveal something similar to a "spiritual destiny" a particular individual is meant to walk.

Yes, the Voluval can be seen as a way for the clan to exert its will over an individual based on their mark but how an individual responds to their own mark, what they choose to do with the revelation of their spiritual path is entirely left to them. Even through self-imposed vows of silence or exile, an individual Matari bearing a "negative" mark can bring honor to themselves and their tribe by the way in which they walk the path laid out before them.

If it were not so, I doubt the Matari would cling so closely to the ritual or hold it in such esteem.

If I am in error, I trust someone with more intimate knowledge of the ritual will correct me.

In slavery, however, an individual's will is completely suppressed. The only choice they have is how obedient or disobedient they choose to be. They are completely conformed to the image of their masters or destroyed attempting to resist it.

In the Voluval, a path is revealed but the choice to walk or not and, more importantly, how to walk it is left to the individual.
In slavery, blinders are put on the slave and they are directed down whatever path their master wills for them, and they are expected to walk it however their master instructs them to.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Jade Blackwind
#29 - 2015-04-25 14:04:45 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:

Tattoos do not remove your will and supplant their own, slavery does.


Technically, the Voluval does...
Now, that's an interesting point of view.

Could you please elaborate?

If we, for example, take a case of a really bad mark, it is more akin to an individual discovering that he has an incurable genetic disease that is about to destroy his social life and any hope of success within his community. In extreme cases, perhaps, even a lethal and infectious disease, so his clan would cast him out to die alone.

How these circumstances remove his ability to act out of his free will?


Tabor Murn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-04-25 14:59:16 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

Liam Antolliere wrote:

Tattoos do not remove your will and supplant their own, slavery does.


Technically, the Voluval does...


This is inaccurate. Those who receive marks with consequences which outsiders perceive as negative, receive those marks for a reason. If someone has a hereditary disease which will cripple their offspring, they will likely receive a mark which forbids them from having children. The mark does not sterilize them. It doesn't remove their free will. If they don't wish to live by their voluval, they can always leave our society (either through emigration or exile).
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2015-04-25 16:39:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Technically, the Voluval does...[remove your will and supplant another]


Far be it from me to speak in lieu of the Matari but as this was in response to my statement, allow me to respond.

The Voluval, from my outside understanding, is a ritual which reveals the "path" an individual Matari is destined to travel by the spirits which govern the Matari.

It doesn't suppress the individual will of the Matari undergoing the ritual, even those who bear the mark that makes them an outcast. What it does is reveal something similar to a "spiritual destiny" a particular individual is meant to walk.

Yes, the Voluval can be seen as a way for the clan to exert its will over an individual based on their mark but how an individual responds to their own mark, what they choose to do with the revelation of their spiritual path is entirely left to them. Even through self-imposed vows of silence or exile, an individual Matari bearing a "negative" mark can bring honor to themselves and their tribe by the way in which they walk the path laid out before them.

If it were not so, I doubt the Matari would cling so closely to the ritual or hold it in such esteem.

If I am in error, I trust someone with more intimate knowledge of the ritual will correct me.

In slavery, however, an individual's will is completely suppressed. The only choice they have is how obedient or disobedient they choose to be. They are completely conformed to the image of their masters or destroyed attempting to resist it.

In the Voluval, a path is revealed but the choice to walk or not and, more importantly, how to walk it is left to the individual.
In slavery, blinders are put on the slave and they are directed down whatever path their master wills for them, and they are expected to walk it however their master instructs them to.


I... fail to see the difference.

In some parts of the Republic, someone can very well be sentenced to death or exile for certain bad marks, and the only choice left to that person will be to comply, or to die.

In parts of the Empire, like plantations, or in the navy, a slave will have to work like a beast of burden, and the only choice left to that person will be to comply, or to die.

In the majority of Matari places, where the 'free will' you speak about is left to the individual, the choice remains rather simple, but more insidious : either that person complies to the status given by the mark, or either they get socially shunned.

In the majority of the Amarr Empire, either for slaves or commoners, the same free will exists - yes, for certain castes of slaves too where their status is very lenient - but they still have to comply to the status given to them by birth and God, or either they get socially shunned, or even sued for public disorder.

In most of the cases, the illusion of choice remains, but the only choices the individuals get are the choices dictated by what the society expects of them. Even in the Federation, at times. I have lived half of my life in the Federation, and free will being brandished for the sake of everything, is one of the most baffling concepts I have had to deal with.

Tabor Murn wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

Liam Antolliere wrote:

Tattoos do not remove your will and supplant their own, slavery does.


Technically, the Voluval does...


This is inaccurate. Those who receive marks with consequences which outsiders perceive as negative, receive those marks for a reason. If someone has a hereditary disease which will cripple their offspring, they will likely receive a mark which forbids them from having children. The mark does not sterilize them. It doesn't remove their free will. If they don't wish to live by their voluval, they can always leave our society (either through emigration or exile).


That is, sir, mostly like any faith or belief : a belief, and a belief that wears great weight in the society it exists.
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#32 - 2015-04-25 16:50:50 UTC
The tribes are not what they once were. Meeting the Amarr changed us, meeting the Gallente changed us, meeting the Jove changed us even more.

However we are still men & women of the tribes. The Republic is still, as far as I am concerned, the place where we can best be ourselves. I think that it is worth protecting and nurturing.

I grieve for kin that have been forcibly parted from us and then warped into another's ideal. I despise kin that have grown in freedom, and then have gone on to serve the slaver. That is to say any slaver, be they Imperial, Cartel, Nation, Covenant or otherwise. To me they are dead and only a heavy sacrifice by them can hope to bring them to life again.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Tabor Murn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-04-25 16:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tabor Murn
My point is that it has little to do with belief. If someone is born with schizophrenia, it is not a choice. They cannot choose to disbelieve their affliction. A culture can however collectively decide how to diagnose and treat an affliction. We choose the Voluval. We don't do it for profit. We don't do it against the collective will of the people. I have never seen a voluval ritual forced on anyone. The fact that we have taken effective method of genetic and behavioral screening and made it part of a cultural rite does not negate the efficacy of said testing method. The fact that said ritual is voluntary means that we are not stripping anyone of their free will.

The fact that our society punishes the members of our own society who do not obey the rules of that society is no different than any other nation or state enforcing their laws and cultural norms within their own borders. Only an anarchist would say that law is the death of free will. We choose not to be anarchists.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2015-04-25 17:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Every Matari is supposed to take up their Voluval, unless my sources are completely wrong on the matter... It is part of their coming up to age, no ?

As if the Voluval was only a genetic way of detecting defects... I am afraid that it does not simply points and tells that someone is afflicted by a lung problem, or whatever. I understand that it is predominantly a tattoo that seeks to guide the individual and point at their fate, and their strengths (or weaknesses for some marks). What they could be destined to, while remaining rather vague on it.

The Ray of Matar, has never stated more than "destined to great things" as far as I know. And I really doubt that this is anything else than simple belief and faith.

Especially considering what happened to the last Ray of Matar, and what she accomplished. Well, I thought she was about to really accomplish something until her own... kin, chose otherwise and deposed her.

The curious thing is that some will claim that she got into her prime minister position because she was destined to do it. Some others claim (mostly outsiders) that she came into power actually thanks to her mark...

Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
I despise kin that have grown in freedom, and then have gone on to serve the slaver. That is to say any slaver, be they Imperial, Cartel, Nation, Covenant or otherwise. To me they are dead and only a heavy sacrifice by them can hope to bring them to life again.


I do not mind you calling me dead - even if I seem to still be alive, but granted, taken metaphorically....

But being called your kin... It is rather clueless as a statement. I am not your kin. Dead or not dead.

Unless you speak, as a human being, then yes.
Tabor Murn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-04-25 17:13:59 UTC
Most clans make use of the ritual and for them it is an important part as a coming-of-age ceremony. It is not mandated by law though there is probably great social pressure on a young Minmatar to participate.

The test is also not purely genetic. I've read some studies that claimed it was more hormonal than anything else. I'm not entirely certain how it works. i am reasonably confident that it works.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#36 - 2015-04-25 17:15:31 UTC
Not every Matari has a Voluvul mark, though there are usually reasons for it. I'm sure some are by choice. In that, how is that some forced issue? They have a choice to do so. What mark they get is destined to them, much like piety in the Amarr faith and how it plays out after death.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#37 - 2015-04-25 18:27:11 UTC
The problem is, that the society that has been built by the republic has been built in direct oppisition to slavery, and it will always be preoccupied with this issue until every last Matari is free. While I am certainly a supporter of one particular Nation's concept of slavery even I find Amarrian slavery to be abhorrent, so it isn't any wonder that others feel so strongly.

Perhaps what is needed is some sort of initiative for the prosperity of the Matari people who are already free, a group that focuses on cultural education and wealth building for those that could become leaders and role models for the Matari people.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2015-04-25 18:35:57 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:


Perhaps what is needed is some sort of initiative for the prosperity of the Matari people who are already free, a group that focuses on cultural education and wealth building for those that could become leaders and role models for the Matari people.


Judging from the general message I'm getting from this thread, would something like that really be feasible? No doubt it would be a step in the right direction, but is something like that really in our reach?
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2015-04-25 18:49:10 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Tabor Murn wrote:
Slavery is likely the focal point for many Minmatar Militia corporations because it is such an inflammatory issue and because unlike all of the other reasons the OP listed as reasons to go to war with the Amarr, slavery is the only ongoing issue.

I would like to echo Pilot Nissui's statement that few Militia corporations fight explicitly for the Minmatar cause. Unfortunately a great majority fight for fun and/or personal profit.

Slavery is a "made up" issue. It is just way of life, and good, acceptable way of life.
What is a real issue, is making drama and issue of slavery.

Fighting us for slavery would be like if we would fight you, Mr. Murn, for having your tattoos. You wouldn't be happy about that, if we would come now to your worlds, saying tattoos are bad and we will fight until last tattoo will disappear? Well, you are doing the same about our slavery.


But fighting for slavery is the same as you fighting us over tattoos, it is OUR art form, part of OUR culture, in the same way that the subjugation of our people via slavery was an attack on our way of life. One of the goals of your reclamation was to destroy our culture to instill the Amarr faith, was it not? I don't want to turn this into another slavery topic, really that is the exact opposite of what I'm trying to do. In the same vein that was one of the things you tried to abolish in your invasions, in your attempt to destroy us. Please don't take this as me trying to confront you on this, but I would like to hear your response on this...

That's what I have just said, making drama out of nothing.

We aren't fighting FOR slavery, neither to destroy other cultures, can you understand it. It is just our culture and how we live in it. There is nothing wrong with slavery, as you think there's nothing wrong with your tattoo.And maybe putting you to slavery would be as terrible as putting a tattoo on me. But for me, slavery is normal, it is good. And I consider myself to be a slave to God, and I am happy about it, just like you have your tattoo and happy about it.

I am not fighting myself, but our noble crusaders fight for the God and Empire, they fight for every of us, so we won't be killed by terrorists, who hate us because we live not like them, because we are happy with our slavery, that they despise.

How about we all just live our lives as we used to, without sending any terrorists to kill us because someone can't accept other's way of life? There are better things in life to live and die for instead of made up dramas about nonacceptance of other cultures.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#40 - 2015-04-25 19:05:57 UTC
My tattoos are on my own body, your slaves are our people (or were I suppose) and I guess from what your saying, yourself. Your free to be a slave as you wish due to your faith, why were our ancestors not free to do so as they choose, to take up the yoke of your religion or not? Its not so much attacking you for your way of life, as its more attacking to protect ours.