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Despawning people's sites

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-04-22 17:54:11 UTC
again... very time consuming for people who don't have much time.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#22 - 2015-04-22 18:38:52 UTC
if you actually need so much isk that a C3 static can't fund it, then invest in a bear C5 where you can put your cap alts. You can even just do a full clear if there're enough anoms and have enough to fund PvP for a while

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
#23 - 2015-04-22 18:41:17 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
if you actually need so much isk that a C3 static can't fund it, then invest in a bear C5 where you can put your cap alts. You can even just do a full clear if there're enough anoms and have enough to fund PvP for a while


Second that. And if you are not getting at least 150 million per hour out of your c3, you are doing it wrong. But that would be another discussion.
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-04-22 18:44:33 UTC
If you don't have time to do anything but home sites, you should maybe reconsider your choice of neighborhood. Many wormholes have bad "weather" in that they don't respawn sites very quickly in that constellation. You may want to look into some more detailed information about this phenomenon and perhaps change your location to somewhere the anoms respawn faster.

or

you could move to HS where the activity is more catered towards people with limited time.

or

learn to run static sites efficiently. C3 sites are very easy to solo and can make plenty good enough money to pay for pvp ships. Assuming that you have a few extra hours per week for bearing and that you don't lose your ships too terribly often, this should be possible. If you can be bothered to scan a bit, the money can be tremendous (solo C5 relics for example).

or

work an extra hour IRL and buy plex.

IDGAF which option you choose, but there are plenty of answers to this problem. If you can't make fast money in the WH then you need to learn to utilize the resources that surround you.

P.S. If nothing else, just go on evebet and put it all on black, works every time!

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-04-22 19:20:49 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
if you actually need so much isk that a C3 static can't fund it, then invest in a bear C5 where you can put your cap alts. You can even just do a full clear if there're enough anoms and have enough to fund PvP for a while


how will this help at all when people despawn those sites as well? Full clears mean you get 1 round of isk and the remaining waves give very little compared to escalation waves.

Plus you're assuming we have capital alts and shizniz, we're a small corp with limited time during working days.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-04-22 19:21:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Andrew Jester wrote:
if you actually need so much isk that a C3 static can't fund it, then invest in a bear C5 where you can put your cap alts. You can even just do a full clear if there're enough anoms and have enough to fund PvP for a while


how will this help at all when people despawn those sites as well? Full clears mean you get 1 round of isk and the remaining waves give very little compared to escalation waves.

Plus you're assuming we have capital alts and shizniz, we're a small corp with limited time during working days.

Ghenghis Kralj wrote:
Second that. And if you are not getting at least 150 million per hour out of your c3, you are doing it wrong. But that would be another discussion.


And if I get to spend 2 hours making ISK during a weekday, 300m is half a T3.

MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
If you don't have time to do anything but home sites, you should maybe reconsider your choice of neighborhood. Many wormholes have bad "weather" in that they don't respawn sites very quickly in that constellation. You may want to look into some more detailed information about this phenomenon and perhaps change your location to somewhere the anoms respawn faster.

or

you could move to HS where the activity is more catered towards people with limited time.

or

learn to run static sites efficiently. C3 sites are very easy to solo and can make plenty good enough money to pay for pvp ships. Assuming that you have a few extra hours per week for bearing and that you don't lose your ships too terribly often, this should be possible. If you can be bothered to scan a bit, the money can be tremendous (solo C5 relics for example).

or

work an extra hour IRL and buy plex.

IDGAF which option you choose, but there are plenty of answers to this problem. If you can't make fast money in the WH then you need to learn to utilize the resources that surround you.

P.S. If nothing else, just go on evebet and put it all on black, works every time!


We have time to do other things, however running cap escalations just happens to be why we are in high class space.

High sec static does not cater to our pvp interests

C3 sites as mentioned before are not really a efficient source of income when you live in high class space. You try and field HACs or faction cruisers against any T3 gang you will be wasting your own and their time.

I don't think "buy a plex" can be factored into game mechanic balance.

Overall I don't think this is healthy behaviour. If someone despawns my sites, I will get pissy and despawn theirs and then we both end up with no ISK to give each other good fights.
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#27 - 2015-04-22 19:28:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Nering
im always late too troll and the good snarky comments are taken so im just sitting here having to actually answer your question.

i think what you really need are new/better ways to make isk outside of your wormhole. becuase if you are getting sites proc'd all the time then clearly this isnt workin out. time to adapt or die.

here are some thing i do for the dankest of the isk. maybe it will help you out. if you dont care to hear it, skip my entire post.

+gas huffing is dank. COMPLETELY OVERPOWERED and nobody talks about it. what i do a lot of time is start in my home, scan 5 systems or so and mark all gas sites. keep in mind im in a c5 so i get really good ones but i mine every site anyway. then i log in all my accounts, (i got 8-9 gas miners, which is a LOT but.... whatever ur not my real dad) and i mine them all. the cool thing about having that many + links means that i dont actually have to fight the rats. im done with the site before they come. but if you have 2 accounts and ur buddy has 2 and his buddy has 2 and his buddy has 2 then you all should have perfect ventures and do what im doing. the big advantage of being in a group is that you guys can scan way faster and find more gas sites. im alone most of the time so this takes a while. i keep jetting the cans into a miamos cloaked at a safe and i do some runs with it back and forth with it.

to be fair i gotta clear some sites becuase they have so much gas i dont be done in time. vitals and instrumentals take my marauder to clear but whatever, the blue loot if good from those things anyway, im happy to clear it.

--RAGE ABOUT THE VENTURE OFF TOPIC--
side note the venture is OP and im going to keep bringing it up until someone acknowledges me. it costs NOTHING, and you make a ZILLION isk. and if you lose it IT DOESNT MATTER i have 20 more in sma. not to mention its a FRIG that can sit in a cloud so no cloakys can deloak and point, it has WARP CORE STAB built in, its a frig so it warp away fast, you can even fit a cloak on it if you want to hide at a safe but the bigger issue if you dont have to! becuase it costs NOTHING! Even if someone has some super elite venture killing doctrine i STILL dont care. i make 10s of billions this way, with no risk and all the dank isk.

the prospect isnt even relevant to gas mining because it just costs more for no gain. venture is op.
----RAGE OVER----

+day tripping doing server banks is pretty dank isk too. just... watch Keith's vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCNWMRopb_0

+if you really need your hand held there are always incursions. if you are in w space you can prob fly some relevant ship. ive run them before becuase i didnt want to fuckin scan that day, so i kill myself and go run incursions. because that is some no risk isk BS. so i can just zone out and rake in some isk.

+i cant expect everyone to fly a marauder but solo marauder sites are 300m per site. my gf and i do them... its fun. as a disclaimer always always always always always try this on sisi first! they made those changes to defender missiles and golems were dying all over.

+c3s that you scan down are really good too. 2 RR battleships and ur good to go. thats what i did anyways. 70 mil a site or so? i have bad memory. but those sites go quick. should just take a few mins per site.

TLDR it sucks that ur sites are getting proc'd but get out there in the chain and use some creativity to rake in the dank. every time you are struggling in eve it always helped me to say to myself "adapt or die", because that's how you get good at the game. good luck meng and may the dankest of isk be yours!

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Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
#28 - 2015-04-22 19:39:36 UTC
Like Reggie Miller and puns, you may not understand how an expo works, maybe? You go away for a week and bear chain some c5s and set yourself isk wise for a few months.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-04-22 19:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Like, I appreciate the reply but you're not telling me anything I don't know already.

I know how to make money besides cap escalations at home but I think we can all agree, it's the most efficient way to make ISK and being a primarily a PvP focused corp who wants to start brawling with the big boys we want to minimise our farming times and be scanning our chain in search of pvp.

Now, so far, nobody has commented on this:

Activating each others sites is a vicious circle and it ends up hurting the whole wh meta. Your rivals don't have ISK to replace ships they've lost so you have to wait months before they give you another engagement.

Meanwhile you're sitting in your own hole trying to find content that doesn't exist because you denied it to yourselves. How stupid does that sound?

The only time where I would feel denying resources to other entities is if you have a feeling they're building a force to evict you.


Ghenghis Kralj wrote:
Like Reggie Miller and puns, you may not understand how an expo works, maybe? You go away for a week and bear chain some c5s and set yourself isk wise for a few months.


And someone comes into your chain and despawns your sites?
B0T0
Dzieci we mgle
#30 - 2015-04-22 19:52:06 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
being a primarily a PvP focused corp who wants to start brawling with the big boys


Then move to C5 with static to C5

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-04-22 20:07:50 UTC
Ragerolling static over and over is not our idea of fun. Cause again, time efficiency.
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#32 - 2015-04-22 20:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Nering
idk i think you jumped to conclusions too fast. despawning sites --> no content? i just dont agree.

there are just so many ways to get the isk you need, relying on home sites are a thing of the past. most relevant corps have jew holes now. which is a big step in chaining wormhole meta. FFS nulsec super pilots have their own jew holes! thats just one example tho.

ur in low class, why cant you use one of their jew holes?

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#33 - 2015-04-22 20:15:36 UTC
either you're trolling or you're the dumbest person to post on these forums

SO many solutions have been proposed, but instead of bending a little or adapting, you just dismiss them because they aren't exactly what you want.

entitlement in this OP :cripes:

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-04-22 20:21:02 UTC
Tim Nering wrote:
idk i think you jumped to conclusions too fast. despawning sites --> no content? i just dont agree.

there are just so many ways to get the isk you need, relying on home sites are a thing of the past. most relevant corps have jew holes now. which is a big step in chaining wormhole meta. FFS nulsec super pilots have their own jew holes! thats just one example tho.

ur in low class, why cant you use one of their jew holes?



Can you explain to me what you mean by Jew hole, I have a feel our definitions are different.

Jester, from post one you have been irrelevant.
Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
#35 - 2015-04-22 20:23:19 UTC
Besides, you just might have pissed somebody off enough to make sure to keep spawning your sites daily. Maybe the old residents of that c6? I have seen that before.
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#36 - 2015-04-22 20:23:33 UTC
define jew hole... jezz uh there are a lot of ways to skin a cat budrick might say but in short

u put up a tower/log off a scanner/orca with tower in it in a c5 c6 or even a shattered. whenever you want isk u go to it and make isk. your alliance has a many of these why not just use them?

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-04-22 20:27:03 UTC
Ghenghis Kralj wrote:
Besides, you just might have pissed somebody off enough to make sure to keep spawning your sites daily. Maybe the old residents of that c6? I have seen that before.



That is something i didn't think about. However we have a whole load of sites for weeks while we were setting up and only in the last day have all but 5 been popped.

These jew holes, what's stopping someone from popping sites in there as well?
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#38 - 2015-04-22 20:28:31 UTC
well nothing is stopping them but ur saying that you dont have any sites, wich means someone is cloaky camping and site rpocing with an alt. do they have one in every low class jew hole?! o.O

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Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
#39 - 2015-04-22 20:33:59 UTC
nothing, but there is nothing keeping you there either. you just move on to the next one hence you would be looking for c5-c5. 99% of wh residents don't have the patience to initiate warp to 10+ sites. Just not something that happens. Otherwise shattered wormholes wouldn't be the site sinks that they are.
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#40 - 2015-04-22 20:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ab'del Abu
If someone just warps to your site, it takes 4 days for them to despawn. Even if you run "only" two of the four possible escalations, that's still 1.3+ billion isk, i.e. two t3 as you like to put it.

Given that C5 holes spawn (on average) ~35 escalatable sites a month in my experience, that's 70 t3 a month (and I don't see you even welping a fraction of that ...) if you run two escalations on each site.

If newly spawned sites magically disappear, chances are you have someone in your corp solo clearing them in marauder while you other guys sleep :P

If you're not able to make sufficient isk of a C5 for a 60 man corp, then you're simply doing it wrong.