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Want AUR for your SKINs? Buy now! (new, poorer AUR packages inbound)

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1 - 2015-04-22 09:38:18 UTC
Just a quick tip: if you plan to buy SKINs with AUR, it may be a good idea to buy the 4,500 AUR/20 $ package now, as it's going to be removed and the AUR-per-buck will be quite lower with the new AUR packages

The best AUR/$ with the new packages it's 212 AUR/ $, compared to 225 AUR/$ with the current 4,500 AUR/20$ package. With some of the juicier SKINs above 6,000 AUR, that's quite a difference...

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#2 - 2015-04-22 09:45:29 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Just a quick tip: if you plan to buy SKINs with AUR, it may be a good idea to buy the 4,500 AUR/20 $ package now, as it's going to be removed and the AUR-per-buck will be quite lower with the new AUR packages

The best AUR/$ with the new packages it's 212 AUR/ $, compared to 225 AUR/$ with the current 4,500 AUR/20$ package. With some of the juicier SKINs above 6,000 AUR, that's quite a difference...



I have to admit that I'm a little miffed at how much AUR they're asking us to cough up for hull-specific SKINs.
I'd happily pay that much for a SKIN that goes on any hull within a size class, BTW. But applying them to only one hull... too steep.

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#3 - 2015-04-22 09:51:57 UTC
Its a money grab on CCPs part. I agree with Jarod on this though, it is a bit steep. Its unfortunate but CCP is trying to make more cash which also makes sense.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#4 - 2015-04-22 10:00:00 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Its a money grab on CCPs part. I agree with Jarod on this though, it is a bit steep. Its unfortunate but CCP is trying to make more cash which also makes sense.



Microtransactions are ALWAYS a cash-grab, and that's fine. Businesses need to make money.
But offering them for cheaper would mean more people are willing to buy them, and buy more of them, which means more money, in the end.

I think the bar being set so high right off the bat is CCP thinking this won't be very popular, and trying to net as much as they can get from the few people they think will buy.

Seriously, CCP.... if you're going to stay hull-specific, drop the prices by a lot.
But if you want to charge the same, by all means do so, but at least open them up to one SKIN for all ships within a size class. More people will buy them if you do that.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#5 - 2015-04-22 10:03:14 UTC
It is just coloring of the hull, not some fancy new tool that you can use to make your own SKIN and license it. Take that into consideration when pricing, CCP.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
#6 - 2015-04-22 10:03:52 UTC
Just a quick correction: the 15$ package will be removed. The 20$ package will be changed.

Additionally: You can buy the SKINs on the market for ISK, sold by other players. You don't have to use AUR.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#7 - 2015-04-22 10:07:19 UTC  |  Edited by: War Kitten
CCP never has understood the "micro" part of micro-transactions.

There's nothing micro about these prices, or the way they implemented the skin system. The point of micro-transactions is that they're so small you don't notice or mind paying them repeatedly because they're... wait for it... micro!

If skins had been a one-time paintjob for your ship, and cost 1-5 aurum for frigates, 5-20 for cruisers, up to 1-200 for battleships and maybe as much as 500-1000 for capital ships, people would still buy them. And they would buy them regularly.

These SKINs aren't micro-transactions, but at least they're not $1000 jeans either. I can live with it.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#8 - 2015-04-22 10:17:32 UTC
Thebriwan wrote:

You can buy the SKINs on the market for ISK, sold by other players. You don't have to use AUR.



That's not my point.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#9 - 2015-04-22 10:31:37 UTC
Well, prices are a bit funny as they don't depend on the cost of the base hull, which is unintuitive, albeit it may make sense from a "usage" point of view. A Frigate is cheaper than a Battlehsip, but then a Frigate SKIN is likely to be applied to hundreds of hulls as they're lost in battle, whereas a BS skin may be applied to just a handful of hulls.

That doesn't covers why some frigate SKINs are worth 3x more than others... but then, it's CCP what we're talking here.

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Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
#10 - 2015-04-22 10:44:08 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Thebriwan wrote:

You can buy the SKINs on the market for ISK, sold by other players. You don't have to use AUR.



That's not my point.


So what is your point?

I don't like the price of a yellow Ferrari Testarossa.
Should the owner make it cheaper to get?
Solecist Project
#11 - 2015-04-22 11:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
These prices don't target you.
You are people who buy with isk as well.

These prices are aimed at those who are too daft not to spend so much money on skins.
Plus it's actually cheap if you realise them as lifetime investment.

People who play f2p shell out way more for way less.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

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Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-04-22 11:32:05 UTC
do you really think i am stupid enough to pay $20 for a skin? no neither do i

CCP targeting the really dumb of eve..
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-04-22 12:14:16 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Its a money grab on CCPs part. I agree with Jarod on this though, it is a bit steep. Its unfortunate but CCP is trying to make more cash which also makes sense.
Welcome to the land of the heavily indoctrinated...
...it is cool we charge you more money, 'cause making money is cool....
...these are not the droids you're looking for....
...move along....

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Solecist Project
#14 - 2015-04-22 12:16:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Its a money grab on CCPs part. I agree with Jarod on this though, it is a bit steep. Its unfortunate but CCP is trying to make more cash which also makes sense.
Welcome to the land of the heavily indoctrinated...
...it is cool we charge you more money, 'cause making money is cool....
...these are not the droids you're looking for....
...move along....

My trademark writing style. ^_^

And sorry if I went overboard with my comment above.

I don't think it's too expensive. There were times when a character recustomisation
cost a PLEX and people bought them getting much less than a skin.

I don't see the issue.
I'll go check the official thread...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Memphis Baas
#15 - 2015-04-22 12:35:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
It doesn't matter how many hulls it gets applied to, or PVP losses. Bottom line, from the user's point of view, they just want to see a different color ship for the duration of their play session (and beyond). The paint is more like a monocle than a ship module. Nobody else is going to zoom in to see your pretty colors except for you. Maybe not even you.

In any case, I'm going to go ahead and ignore the SKINs and AUR because they are too expensive. I don't think complaining in a random General Discussion thread will do much; CCP has said several times in recent blogs that they're collecting data and looking at the statistics of what we do, rather than looking at what we say. So we can complain about prices all we want, if they have huge SKIN sales then obviously the system is good. If nobody buys them because they're limited to a single ship, or even worse, temporary, then they'll change.
Mr Duffo
SQUIDS.
#16 - 2015-04-22 12:44:07 UTC
ccp can have all my manies. Question can you put skins on everyship like say gnosis?

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-04-22 13:00:09 UTC
Mr Duffo wrote:
ccp can have all my manies. Question can you put skins on everyship like say gnosis?


You can only use the skin on the ship it's labeled for, i.e. the "Quafe" Catalyst skin only affects Catalysts, and not every ship has skins available.
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#18 - 2015-04-22 13:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Iroquoiss Pliskin
Mr Duffo wrote:
ccp can have all my manies. Question can you put skins on everyship like say gnosis?


http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ship-customization-time-to-show-some-skin/?_ga=1.44641188.1883539901.1421897621

Full list of ze SKINs. They are ship-specific.

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Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-04-22 13:20:35 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
do you really think i am stupid enough to pay $20 for a skin? no neither do i

CCP targeting the really dumb of eve..

I'm dumb enough =D
Trajan Unknown
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-04-22 13:30:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Trajan Unknown
War Kitten wrote:
CCP never has understood the "micro" part of micro-transactions.

There's nothing micro about these prices, or the way they implemented the skin system. The point of micro-transactions is that they're so small you don't notice or mind paying them repeatedly because they're... wait for it... micro!

If skins had been a one-time paintjob for your ship, and cost 1-5 aurum for frigates, 5-20 for cruisers, up to 1-200 for battleships and maybe as much as 500-1000 for capital ships, people would still buy them. And they would buy them regularly.

These SKINs aren't micro-transactions, but at least they're not $1000 jeans either. I can live with it.



I am pretty certain you´re totally underestimating the individual understanding of "micro transaction". In it original meaning it is less than 1buck yes but look around, people are more than willing to pay 30bucks for a skin set and some (enough) are paying up to 300bucks for a cosmetic item. EvE is pretty alone with the current system where you can buy cosmetics with ingame currency that can be earned with time instead of real money without grinding for weeks.

Best examples are dota2/CS and TF² where people spend hundreds of $ for keys to open chests that may have an item inside that is worth more than the key they bought.
Micro transactions in it´s original meaning are used for "consumables" only nowadays because it makes no sense to sell something for dirt cheap and make it permanent.
Before the change is was a bit harsh to spend 150AUR on a frig skin that is a consumable. Now you have to pay a lot more but you can keep it. For me it´s pure win because I can finally use all the skins I bought without losing them.



edit: May I ask you Mr R4nd0m why I am dumb? If 20bucks for the skin is a good exchange for me why shouldn´t I buy it? If you have to decide between spending 20bucks on a game/hobby or buying food buying the skin is not the smartest thing yes. If you don´t be in that position it´s not dumb to spend the money I think. I am personally running EvE on a 300€/month budget so 20bucks is not much of my budget. Not that I use it every month, mostly not even close to it but for me EvE replaced a way more expensive hobby so I am totally fine with it and my wife too what is the more important thing I guess. :D
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