EVE General Discussion

There is.

Get your fast ship 155km in front of said bumped ship and just warp away.

I have been trying to find ways to engage players who think they are safe since EVE came out. So I get it - when you find a game mechanic or meta that works, it's hard to deal with the possibility the game may change specifically to prevent your trick.

But this:
is disappointing.

Bowling with ships is dumb. It kills immersion. Even those defending it are defending the meta that it has created, not the implementation itself.

Since when is the npc police force no protection? If I am driving down a street and another car starts ramming me repeatedly to hold me in place, I would take that as a rather blunt sign of aggression. And I think any officer of the law that happened to see this event, would probably agree. I have a very hard time believing that CCP specifically intended bumping to be a way of tackling a ship, without tackling it.

Bumping as a form of tackling, without consequence, makes no sense.

Aaaand welcome to the world of EVE, which has nothing to do with the real world.
I hope you understand the difference, because right now it does absolutely not look like it.

Just because I accurately brought up a comparison between ships and pirates from EVE and IRL,
does not mean you can just bring up ANYTHING and believe it somehow works out!

Your "immersion" pretty much is no argument whatsoever.
It does not matter. If it really was that bad, people would actually complain.

Tell you what ... they don't. Anything that does not cause actual threadnoughts
with lots of people actually complaining is NOT an actual issue.

This is the same level with the bullshitters who cry about gankers,
while they are completely unable to prove that ganking is an issue.


Do you even understand how embarased I feel for you after reading this, assuming it was an adult who wrote it?

In the real world, when you ram your car into an other car, that car gets damaged.
Do you understand that? Real damage. In internet spaceships, there is no damage done.
Of COURSE it's an aggressive act in the real world, because the car gets damaged!

You even bringing this up makes me question your sanity!



And this has NOTHING to do with the game. Nothing.
It's not comparable! Real cars take real damage!

And as Jonah said ... CONCORD is not there to protect you,
they are there to punish. Read it up.

It's
a
game!

It's
not
real
life.


Maybe you should stop playing instead of being worried about immersion ...
... and how game mechanics make it harder for you to flee from actual reality.

... o/
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13019651
I'm no stranger to non-consensual pvp.

If CCP wants neutral tackle without aggression, it should be implemented better than ship bowling. My suspicion, however, is that this was never an intended mechanic and that its days are numbered.

Not everything that emerges from player activity, creativity and ingenuity in a sandbox game is going to be intended by the developers. However, it doesn't immediately mean that such emergent gameplay is inherently wrong or an illegal exploit. It's ultimately up to the developers to decide what is and isn't against the rules.

As GM Karidor stated in the official bumping thread in Crime & Punishment:

While CCP may not have intended for bumping to exist it still does due to how the game mechanics work. In this instance the emergent gameplay is allowed. It may not have been intended, but as I mentioned already not everything that occurs in a sandbox is going to be intended by the developers. The players have a hand in helping to shape what the game world ultimately becomes. This is just an instance of players using the building blocks the developers gave them to create their own style of gameplay.

Personally, I hope not.

lol.

Shai, you know you're barking up the wrong tree when even Carrie-Anne can say you're misguided.

Because you're not bringing anything new to the table.

They had the opportunity to nerf the hell out of it a couple of years ago, after much discussion with the players with arguments being presented for and against it as a valid gameplay mechanic they came to their decision, which is based on the pretty much the same arguments being used in this thread.

The current rules are unlikely to change in my opinion; there are ways around it, there are specific circumstances in which it becomes harassment and bumping is a staple tactic in many a corps repertoire.

Now if you were arguing for the bump mechanic to be more true to newtonian physics then I, and many others would love that

But if enough people whine we might just get that one more nerf that will make highsec balanced.

Now assuming perfectly elastic collisions (because of shields!), that could lead to completely ludicrous speeds bumping shuttles with machariels.

Or pod-bumping... hmm

And your opinion is wrong.

We have several counters to being bumped, use them.