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Scamming & EULA

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SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-05-05 01:48:39 UTC
Jita local channel is 100% lies. Just shut it down already and be done with it.
Whittorical Quandary
Amarrian Infinity
#22 - 2015-05-05 04:09:18 UTC
Regardless of names used, can we just have legitimate human scammers, not bot scammers who will sometimes use the names of other bot scammers to congratulate them of their winning...

Saw something in chat:

Scammer1: Congrats! Scammer2 sent 500 mil and returned 1 bil isk, thanks for following the rules!

...

Scammer2: Congrats Scammer1, you sent 1 bil isk and got 2x back!

"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you never know if they are genuine."

— Abraham Lincoln
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2015-05-05 07:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: tiberiusric
Sniper Smith wrote:
Best way to avoid Scammers is just ignore Local at hubs.. 99% is gone then :)


to be honest this. Assume everything in the main hubs especially Jita is a scam (it usually is) oh and block everyone who is scamming

The only reason scamming happens is because you let it happen to you. although as long as i have bene playing i think its the worse part of the game. Why because newbies are easily scammed and once that happens they leave, we need more new blood in eve but until CCP seriously does something about it then all the effort they are making to keep new players is all for nothing. The game can survive without the scamming aspect, personally i think its better off without it.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-05-05 17:14:46 UTC
Chribba wrote:


Less spam would be really nice however!



THIS!
Dustpuppy
New Eden Ferengi
#25 - 2015-05-12 15:45:27 UTC
Ajunta Pal wrote:
Also keep in mind that the "bots" could just be that someone typed their message in the notepad, did i copy paste, and then drag and drop the links into place. Doesn't take much effort.


Yet it is spam, no matter if a bot repeats the message or a lazy guy. If you perform the above copy&paste method to spam the local channel you should be punished like a bot.

Hit the trigger (x identical or similar messages within a given time) -> 24h warning ban, then 2 weeks, then permanent.
Solecist Project
#26 - 2015-05-12 15:57:04 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
Best way to avoid Scammers is just ignore Local at hubs.. 99% is gone then :)


to be honest this. Assume everything in the main hubs especially Jita is a scam (it usually is) oh and block everyone who is scamming

The only reason scamming happens is because you let it happen to you. although as long as i have bene playing i think its the worse part of the game. Why because newbies are easily scammed and once that happens they leave, we need more new blood in eve but until CCP seriously does something about it then all the effort they are making to keep new players is all for nothing. The game can survive without the scamming aspect, personally i think its better off without it.

Noobs who can afford to get scammed either are no noobs ...
... or greedy people who believe they can buy their way to success.

If they leave then that's fine.
If they stay, that's even better.

The stupid new-player-argument doesn't work.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#27 - 2015-05-12 15:59:23 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
Jita local channel is 100% lies. Just shut it down already and be done with it.

If you have it closed you can't know this is true.

Besides it being impossible to be true.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-05-22 04:28:19 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
Jita local channel is 100% lies. Just shut it down already and be done with it.

Remove local?
flakeys
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-05-22 08:39:38 UTC
Quazal Atreides wrote:

and nope before the trolls i have not been scammed etc, and am merely wondering what the line is between the scam and eula
"falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player"







It's not impersonation that is clear , however at what point are you a representative that is the thin line i have a hard time cracking down regarding this type of 'scam'.They are using your name to be 'a representative' of the legitamacy of their business in a way.


This is one of those things where one petition will get a 'you're right tag' and the other will get a 'hell no tag'.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#30 - 2015-05-22 08:46:59 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
Jita local channel is 100% lies. Just shut it down already and be done with it.

Remove local?

You necro'd a ten days old thread.

Do you ever log in, so I can harass and grief you ingame ?
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flakeys
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-05-22 08:52:38 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
Jita local channel is 100% lies. Just shut it down already and be done with it.

Remove local?

You necro'd a ten days old thread.

Do you ever log in, so I can harass and grief you ingame ?



Logging in is SO 2008 ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#32 - 2015-05-22 09:10:19 UTC
The rules from CCP is in my opinion somewhat poorly written since its indirectly open for subjective interpretation....

1. Exploits

"a. Creates a character using a name that is misleading and causes others to believe he is a fair target, such as a non-player pirate or other NPC entity"

That rule dont exclude or include misleading others to belive youre a another player, ergo the benefit of the doubt should favor the users..... and its should be directly illegal to impersonate other players.



6. Scamming

"a. Illegally obtains items from another through use of an exploit or cheat method."

To mislead others to aquire an item that gives you profitt thru "cheat" Methods, to cheat is to lie, mislead, hold back info... Ergo you exploit others lack of abilities to understand With use of cheat Methods. In subjective interpetation; its in violation of the rules.



7. misc:

"g. Engages in griefplay tactics which may include, but are not limited to, market/courier exploits."

This rule is counterdicting the other rules in view of subjective interpetation.


The rules state that its against EVE rules to "scam" other players, but it allows players to scam other players...

Also CCP dont state in the rules that its "absolute", ergo its open for interpetation... which gives the benefit of doubt to the offended player.

On the otherhand, it can also be interpetated by scammers, due to the loopholes within the rules, to favor them... all due to the lack of being absolute.



Quazal Atreides wrote:
This is a question regarding the cross-over from scamming to breaking the rule on impersonation.

Ok,

Now impersonation is making yourself out to be someone else, however the old scam "give me x, and ill return x * 3" has been going ... well since the start :)

But this got me to thinking that over the last 12 months the increase of the bots that say something like "Quazal Atreides sent 100m return 500m" etc...

Curious how this is not using my name to fool others, Should this not fall under the impersonation or false representation of another player.

I have no problems (and in my early days may have even) scammed a small bit, but when the bots are filing local with tripe like that it got me wondering about how impersonation / false representation lines up

Now there are lies, lies and damn lies, but when someone is using my name to help them scam a player from cash that must surely be close if not cross the line?


and nope before the trolls i have not been scammed etc, and am merely wondering what the line is between the scam and eula
"falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player"

is taken from eula are these scammers not saying that i am part of their scheme? For instance should a scammer use the veldmasters "chribba" name for example a new player might see it and think , oh chribba has done it so it must be cosha?
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#33 - 2015-05-22 09:33:56 UTC
Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ...
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flakeys
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-05-22 10:39:55 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ...



I'd rather have that pasta bolognese if you have some left ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#35 - 2015-05-22 12:26:50 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ...



I'd rather have that pasta bolognese if you have some left ...

Sure ! Go make a thread about it and ask nicely.
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flakeys
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-05-22 12:56:06 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ...



I'd rather have that pasta bolognese if you have some left ...

Sure ! Go make a thread about it and ask nicely.




That's what she said ....

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-05-22 13:15:49 UTC
Does anyone know what's the rationale of the rule against impersonation?

Why are we allowed to lie about everything except our alts?

Some weird RL legal issue, maybe?

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#38 - 2015-05-22 13:26:11 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Does anyone know what's the rationale of the rule against impersonation?

Why are we allowed to lie about everything except our alts?

Some weird RL legal issue, maybe?

When the ToS change came up back in 2013 I sidestepped my
own no-alts- rule and made a char called Solstice Project's Alt
to mock this stupidity.

Nothing happened.

The reason why it's not allowed to impersonate others simply
is because of the gigantic mess one can create with that.

The activity of "Making others look bad" ...
... can reach dimensions most people can't even comprehend.

All my chars are clearly and easily identifyable as me.
Am I now impersonating myself?

Hi, I'm Sol !

My way of getting around the mess of anonymous alts, which I hate to the bone.

You know what would be the best thing ever?

More Projects. More Sols.
I wouldn't petition a single one of them !
(as long as they stay within the rules, ignoring that one)
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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-05-22 13:26:46 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Does anyone know what's the rationale of the rule against impersonation?

Why are we allowed to lie about everything except our alts?

Some weird RL legal issue, maybe?

Its cuz of goons. Lol Seriously.
Maybe someone has the link but im sure you can find it on google.
Several years ago a Goon was scamming super sales. He went on the eveonline wiki and added his alts name to a list of like verified trusted 3rd party trade characters. He added his name to be a Chribba alt on the page too i think. All this on a website with the eveonline logo on it which created the problem cuz anyone looking at the page could mistake ccp as the ones that either updated the info or verified it. This is why we cant edit the wiki anymore and the crackdown on impersonation.
He scammed billions and billions making people think/appear to be a verifed and trusted 3rd party trade alt of chribbas.

He and some alts got permabanned and players refunded. Ccp lost **** cuz the website was ccp owned even tho it was a wiki freely able to be edited
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#40 - 2015-05-22 13:27:25 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Just look at the monkeys jumping in like there's free bananas ...



I'd rather have that pasta bolognese if you have some left ...

Sure ! Go make a thread about it and ask nicely.




That's what she said ....

Do it !
I dare you !

Or click the link in my sig and read !
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