Ships & Modules

When are the Amarrian ships going to get some love. On paper they never seem that bad. Their lasers have decent damage projection out farther than most, and they can quickly change their damage projection. But.... the market has spoken. Amarrian ships on the whole are always about 25% less than the average. I'm sure there are a few exceptions, but none that are currently popping to mind ( my alcohol laden mind to be clear).

So I am just wondering, is there any hope for Amarrian ships, or are they just delegated to be eternally worse than timex knock-offs. Actually I wonder how many people nowadays have actually seen a timex :) sorta like I wonder how many people actually see Amarrian ships in use.

Care to expand a little? What aspects of eve am I missing. Most doctrines I have seen use drones, missiles, rails or projectiles. Sure there are a few that make exceptions for the inclusion of Amarrian ships, but rarely are they the focal point.

Yup all valid points Dato.

Supply and demand does effect the price. I don't think Amarrian ships are over supplied, but I could be wrong. Well I once I said that, I guess they are over supplied, because if they were under supplied, the price should be at least average. So maybe I am way off base and everyone loves Amarrian ships (or at least producing Amarrian ships?)

I think we need Provi to stand strong and enforce Amarrian only fleets. Plus I might have 1 or 2 extra for sale?

Yup I can't find a whole lot of fault in any reply so far. I guess Amarrian ships are just largely over produced. And the doctrine designers all own non-Amarrian BPO's.

Amarr ships are great. Particularly when you need something with an enormous armor buffer.

no legions, apoc navy, zealots, purifiers, bhaalgorns, archons, redeemers, sacrileges are all top doctrine ships not to forget guardians

Amarr are underused more due to to the popularity of shield tanking on sub-battleship hulls (and the popularity of sub-battleship doctrines). There are some great Amarr ships, but they're probably not being lost in the same numbers as null-doctrine ships, thus the over supply by industrialists that don't do market research.

That's my hunch, anyway. I can't be bothered to pull up actual data, so I'm just going to assume that I'm right.

as someone who use ships from all the race i have to say i usually buy less amarr ships just because they dont die as often as the other races ships, with the right fleet they are extremely effective and reliable.

Amarr problems:

1. Amarr ships use a weapon system designed for kiting yet mostly get hulls designed for brawling. It's the exact inverse of the problem Minmatar ships have, namely that they get a weapon system designed for brawling and all their hulls are designed for kiting.

Amarr ships are in general too slow to kite and lasers are simply terrible if your opponent gets into web range. Tracking sucks, high cap use, thermal damage, etc. The few Amarr ships that break this mold and actually can kite, like the Navy Omen, are very, very good.

2. Amarr ships are stupidly skill intensive. Lasers are designed for kiting, and the only way you can kite on ships with 6 or 7 low slots is to run a paper thin active tank or even run no tank at all, active or passive. This means one tiny mistake = instant death. Really good players that know how to exploit the ship can run a Navy Omen 1v20, get six kills, and then get away. Most players will just horribly die even 1v1.

3. Amarr ships are also stupidly SP intensive. The overpowered FOTM Navy Omen fit requires AWU V AND Energy Weapon Rigging V to fit, for example. The same goes for trying to fit tachyons to battleships, AWU V is basically required while you don't need AWU at all to fit rails to a Megathron.

4. Lasers are a very, very bad weapon system for new players to learn on. If you don't have Scorch, they're complete ****. Minmatar has exactly the same issue with their weapons and Barrage. Railguns, missiles, and drones, by comparison, still put out decent numbers even at T1.

5. The main Amarr advantages, namely that their weapons are great at kiting and sniping, have been completely usurped by sentry drones. Zealot/Guardian fleets used to be a mainline doctrine, today this is an epic joke considering Ishtars do about double the DPS with triple the tracking and triple the range while selecting damage type and using no cap and etc etc etc.

6. Amarr T2 resists are rather ****. Here's a pretty much comprehensive list of the sources of explosive damage that actually get used in the game right now:

- Bombers
- Sentry drones
- Doomsdays

If you're running a ship with T2 resists, you don't care about bombers or doomsdays anyway. If you're running an Amarr ship (Read: A ship without sentry drones) against a ship using sentry drones, you lose by default since sentry drones are > everything to an absurd degree.

Yeap, sounds mad, but still made damn good points.