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Bringing BC back
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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-04-16 22:04:41 UTC
I would like to advocate for the re-introduction of battlecruisers to medium plexes. T2 battlecruisers would be barred much in the same way t2 frigates are barred from novices. It'd be nice to have some extra firepower to play with, and have another whole ship class to play around with for fw plexing.

As someone who's been in fw for quite awhile, I can say that while I don't miss the drakefleets of yore, I did enjoy seeing battlecruisers being used more often in lowsec than we currently see. Having some heavier ships to balance out the krazy kite meta would be VERY refreshing.

Also, for the lore-centered and nitpicky among us, I'd be fine with giving large plexes NPC battleships with more buffer, but the same crazy rep as before for consistency's sake. That said it, wouldn't be my first choice.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#2 - 2015-04-17 02:16:54 UTC
CCP is thinking about new kind of Plexes for BC in FW ^^

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-04-17 09:20:33 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
CCP is thinking about new kind of Plexes for BC in FW ^^


BC only plexes???? Because that would be fun. Hull tanked, gank BNIs ftw!!!! I dare other fleets to come into that plex

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Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-04-17 09:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Awkward
Problem is also that even a large plex can be handled by 2 faction frigs.

There is nothing that would realy require to bring a bigger ship or a gang other then the hub bash.

Large plexes should have even more dps requirement or the plex NPC should web the attacker so orbiting at 500m does not make frigs immune.

Als long as 1-2 frigs / destroyer can do any kind of plex, there is no reason to fly something bigger, espacially sice you lock yourself out of smaller plexes in a bigger ship.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-04-17 11:03:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Catherine Laartii
Captain Awkward wrote:
Problem is also that even a large plex can be handled by 2 faction frigs.

There is nothing that would realy require to bring a bigger ship or a gang other then the hub bash.

Large plexes should have even more dps requirement or the plex NPC should web the attacker so orbiting at 500m does not make frigs immune.

Als long as 1-2 frigs / destroyer can do any kind of plex, there is no reason to fly something bigger, espacially sice you lock yourself out of smaller plexes in a bigger ship.

well the tactical issue is more that larges don't have a gate so they can get dropped on by anyone, especially folks with covops. Tactically meds down to novices favor the defender, so opening up mediums would mean there would be quite a lot more interesting matchups to fight.

Also, saying that you should stick to smaller ships assuming it's just you is silly. Certainly you can farm more, but when a fight comes around with a cruiser it's smarter to be in something that can take one out. Afs are actually pretty good for this, though.
Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-04-17 12:50:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Awkward
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Captain Awkward wrote:
Problem is also that even a large plex can be handled by 2 faction frigs.

There is nothing that would realy require to bring a bigger ship or a gang other then the hub bash.

Large plexes should have even more dps requirement or the plex NPC should web the attacker so orbiting at 500m does not make frigs immune.

Als long as 1-2 frigs / destroyer can do any kind of plex, there is no reason to fly something bigger, espacially sice you lock yourself out of smaller plexes in a bigger ship.

well the tactical issue is more that larges don't have a gate so they can get dropped on by anyone, especially folks with covops. Tactically meds down to novices favor the defender, so opening up mediums would mean there would be quite a lot more interesting matchups to fight.

Also, saying that you should stick to smaller ships assuming it's just you is silly. Certainly you can farm more, but when a fight comes around with a cruiser it's smarter to be in something that can take one out. Afs are actually pretty good for this, though.


Lets take a look at the options a medium site offer you right now. I can do a medium in a T2 cruiser or in a destroyer.
If I use the Cuiser, I have good chances to deal with a 1on1 situation if someone comes in. But who will take a fight with a T2 cruiser 1on1? Usually people only charge into a plex if they know they have a good chance to win. The ship costs 150m+ and a gang will kill me if I stay and take a bate. Thats a high risk for some LP.

Or I can do the site in a 5mill destroyer and warp of for a short time if something bigger then a frig comes in. On top of that, I can also do small sites if I want to. The cruiser can not. Risk is low. Profit stays allmost the same.

You can switch out T2 ruiser with BC but the result will be the same. If you take a fight as the defender, you allways risk falling for a bait. Risking a 150m T2 cruiser or a 50m BC or a 5m dessi makes a big difference. Espacially when you take the risk of getting killed on a gate enroute into account. As long as the plex size does not force you into the higher ship size, people will stick to the smaller ships because the Risk / reward is better.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#7 - 2015-04-17 13:25:15 UTC
What if.....

Novice only allowed frigs.

Small only allowed dessies and t2 frigs, ONLY.

Mediums only allowed cruisers and BCs, ONLY.

Large was gated and only allowed BS.

O_o ??!!
Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-04-17 13:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Awkward
Estella Osoka wrote:
What if.....

Novice only allowed frigs.

Small only allowed dessies and t2 frigs, ONLY.

Mediums only allowed cruisers and BCs, ONLY.

Large was gated and only allowed BS.

O_o ??!!

Or a little less restricted :

A gated huge complex is added that allows BS.
A large gets a gate that allows all ship clases up to BC.

Any ship that is able to enter the plex can do dmg on the npc, but to finally capture the site at the end of the timer, at least one ship of the maximum size must be present in the plex.