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I make [tons of isk] doing [something].

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flakeys
Doomheim
#61 - 2015-04-18 07:34:15 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
The trick is to find the right balance for yourself between 'Making lots of Isk' and 'Making lots of fun'.
Some players are really having fun while going all the way and through a lot of effort to find the optimum in (insert activity here) for their maximum Isk/hour ratio, while others are equally having as much fun doing something entirely different while always on the edge of bankruptcy.

The tipping point is different for everyone and for you to find out were yours lies. The thing is, making/having fun should always be on top of the list, above making Isk.


the problem here is you need lots of isk to have lots of fun. Having even a billion liquid can be gone very quickly if you want to be active. Grinding that takes a while. Thats why CCP im sure brought in plex as a RMT for ISK. Instead of making the game more profitable they know there is a need for more ISK, so they sell plex to gain more income. Otherwise why not make it easier to make a lot of money, which in turn allows people to buy and replace more ships to have more fun more requlary.




But it allready is VERRY easy to do so .The thing is people are too lazy , too attached to their 'comfort zone' to try other ways of gaining isk.As has been shown multiple times on this forum.

You know how the saying with the horse and water goes ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#62 - 2015-04-18 14:38:49 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:
I'm not too up on the changes that have taken place in Eve over the last 3+ years. Pretty frequently I see mention, usually on the forums but sometimes ingame, of players who make boatloads of isk doing different activities. People who say they make hundreds of millions of isk per hour with 1-3 accounts running escalations or station trading or in some manufacturing or PI niche, or in a few other activities.

How much truth is there to these claims? What percentage of Eve players really make that much isk that quickly?


Personally I run 5 accounts in small mining ops that I am the only real player involved in, and I generally enjoy doing so because it lets me play when I want to for how long I want to with the amount of effort that I feel like putting into the game during that time. While actively mining, my handful of characters (who have like 4-5 months of skill training each) can make perhaps 60 million isk per hour in high sec, but I'm not "actively mining" all the time since there's some logistics to do and I spend some of my play time working on other things ingame that don't make me much (or any) isk.

Despite generally enjoying what I do, it bums me out a little when I think that what I'm working towards, amassing wealth, is being done so much better by others. Please spare me the "well play smarter then" comments though, because I know that if I have the will, there are ways to do "better" for myself. I'm just curious how many people really are out there generating that kind of wealth compared to how many people are just running level 4s solo or mining somewhere or another with a single account or dabbling in station trading or roaming around lowsec trying to ransom random people, and more likely making just a bit more isk than they need to get by rather than stockpiling isk and other assets.


You are doing fine, for what you do. Most of the people who say and do make 'boatloads of ISK' are very selective about what they tell you. That they have been playing for a decade and did what you do now for years to build a base ISK amount that they compound, or they dropped $2000 on Plex to get it, or they abused an exploit that has since been removed, or pick the scenario but they all did their time in the grind prison of EVE Online.

The only other advice I can offer you is to make use of your passive assets too. You have 5 accounts, that's 15 characters. If you get 5 mains to PI 4, 10 alts to PI 3 that's 75 planets. Tier One PI in High Sec from 75 planets is A LOT of PI. Set your extractions to a week. Don't get caught up in the process of PI Online. It will still work out to a billion a month with minimal effort. You can add that to your total earning. You will also find there are predictable patterns in many markets. They are patterns over as much as a year though but they are there. If you are playing, doing your thing and content, look for them, find them and make use of them. Never more than you can afford and never in rare things.

Also understand that this is EVE and someone will always be in line to **** in your cornflakes and make you feel inadequate. Ignore it as best you can.
Dextrome Thorphan
#63 - 2015-04-19 10:22:42 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:
Personally I run 5 accounts in small mining ops that I am the only real player involved in...... in high sec


And that's why you don't make alot of isk...
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#64 - 2015-04-19 11:39:37 UTC
I like building stuff from the ground up... so if i wanna build a T2 cruiser for instance, i will get the T2 component bpo's en research them, then get the advanced materials to buil the T2 stuff and even try to make some of the advanced materials from PI.

I will get the T1 cruiser bpo, research it, make copies, invent a T2 pbc. use my own datacores that i got from my own research agents...

Hell i actually got myself a POS and yes, mined the ice an again tried to get as much of the fuel needed from PI.

Anyways u get the idea... if it was reasonably possible for me to do, i would try to do it myself instead of buying it from market/contracts Big smile

U may also understand that beeing able to do all this prolly costs more then just buying the damn thing from market Lol

*remembers the time he build his own Obelisk and shudders! THE MOUNTAINS OF TRITANIUM!!!! THOSE ENORMOUS MOUNTAINS NEEDED! O_O*
Beta Maoye
#65 - 2015-04-19 12:41:03 UTC
If you do this for isk, I think you may use your money(and time) in a better way. You can instantly make more isk by using the money for subscritpions to buy plex and exchange them for isk. No need to spend time in mining at all.

If you do that for fun, enjoy it. Why blaming you make less than others when you can just use that money to buy plex to instantly increase your wealth?
HiltoftheDragons
Grievance3
#66 - 2015-04-19 13:17:11 UTC
Besides all the replies here about what it takes to make the most efficient amount of isk per hour......i think only a handful of folks here got it right.

Do what you enjoy doing and stop worrying about isk per hour. Thats what takes all the fun out of it for most people.

Destiny always seems decades away, but suddenly it's not decades away; it's right now. But maybe destiny is always right now, right here, right this very instant, maybe.
Gary Bell
Therapy.
The Initiative.
#67 - 2015-04-19 13:40:17 UTC
TBH with the right amount of grinding to generate some liquid isk to start, and or selling a few plexs, the character market is by far the most lucrative way to make isk..

Turning a Char that costs you 12 bil for 27 bil.. and like myself I can sit at work and do it using a vpn. Granted there are slow days.. But there are also crazy days where you can turn 50 billion isk in mere hours..

And for those who say you have to buy plex for the capital.. look at it like this.. I pay for 3 accounts with cash and buy say 5 plexs. Sell said plexs.

Take my 4 bil'ish liquid and start trading chars.. Well with in 30 days those accounts become free because you dont have to pay cash for them anymore so in the long run you are saving yourself money. Just a matter of perspective..

Anyways just my 2 cents.. PS people ratting with 4 accounts should look into smartbomb ratting.. the money is Bananas!@
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#68 - 2015-04-19 18:58:48 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:
it bums me out a little when I think that what I'm working towards, amassing wealth, is being done so much better by others.

If you look at it as who is generating more isk/hour/character - probably a lot if not most. If you look at is as who is generating more isk/hour/total - probably a much smaller percentage. If you look at who is accumulating more total isk - it is probably a much smaller percentage again (mainly because miners rarely lose assets).

Is your amassing isk goal in Eve to achieve a certain amount, or have more isk than xx% of other players, or something else? Do you have goals in the game other than amassing wealth?

Experiment with PI, industry, or station trading - all are things you can work on while your fleet is mining which will increase your isk/hour.











Iain Cariaba
#69 - 2015-04-19 21:17:11 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:
Personally I run 5 accounts in small mining ops that I am the only real player involved in, and I generally enjoy doing so because it lets me play when I want to for how long I want to with the amount of effort that I feel like putting into the game during that time. While actively mining, my handful of characters (who have like 4-5 months of skill training each) can make perhaps 60 million isk per hour in high sec, but I'm not "actively mining" all the time since there's some logistics to do and I spend some of my play time working on other things ingame that don't make me much (or any) isk.

You can make the same amount of isk running anoms in nullsec, with the same amount of training and the same amount of time dedicatiin, on a single character. This woukd allow you to use thise other 4 accounts to explore more of the game.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2015-04-19 21:27:10 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Amarrchecko wrote:
Personally I run 5 accounts in small mining ops that I am the only real player involved in, and I generally enjoy doing so because it lets me play when I want to for how long I want to with the amount of effort that I feel like putting into the game during that time. While actively mining, my handful of characters (who have like 4-5 months of skill training each) can make perhaps 60 million isk per hour in high sec, but I'm not "actively mining" all the time since there's some logistics to do and I spend some of my play time working on other things ingame that don't make me much (or any) isk.

You can make the same amount of isk running anoms in nullsec, with the same amount of training and the same amount of time dedicatiin, on a single character. This woukd allow you to use thise other 4 accounts to explore more of the game.

Or use those four for running anoms as well, at the same time, and quintuple your income.
WASPY69
Xerum.
#71 - 2015-04-19 22:36:44 UTC
Well there's two types of income, passive and active.

For passive income, speculating, investing and market pvp are by far the most profitable. But it's just like real life, it takes a LOT of work and experience. Basically get to know the game by keeping up to date on player activities, events, and changes coming to the game. Manipulating is a personal favorite but it can require huge capital to work. Look for market opportunities around active systems. etc.. Find demands (Or create them *hint*) then fill them. etc..

For active income, high class wormholes are BY FAR the most profitable. Set up a C5 hole, with 3 or so dread alts, or with 2 of your friends alts. Not gonna go into details, but if you're dedicated and know what you're doing you can easily be looking at figures of up to 12 digits per night.
But then again, Bob requires gud fites, and if you fail to deliver, you will soon find out your newly spawned K162 leads to J115405. And by then it's already too late.

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