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[HELP] Programming Language Choice?

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Dredd Ventura
The Autocratic Order
#1 - 2015-04-15 11:10:19 UTC
Hello o/

Let's keep this short.

I would like to an app or tool that would help make something like these:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wvvsanpmXn0ZZnsy0nOlJfkXRVu73FOLwZ9kUUXpr64/edit?usp=sharing

If someone can point me to how or where to start that would be great!

Thank you for reading.

PS:
Yes , I made that spreadsheet.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#2 - 2015-04-15 11:12:34 UTC
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#3 - 2015-04-15 12:01:35 UTC
Well, if you're wanting to write something for googledocs, it's all in javascript.

https://github.com/fuzzysteve/eve-googledocs-script has some examples.

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Dredd Ventura
The Autocratic Order
#4 - 2015-04-15 12:05:12 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Well, if you're wanting to write something for googledocs, it's all in javascript.

https://github.com/fuzzysteve/eve-googledocs-script has some examples.


I'd like to avoid using google if I can help.

Maybe a software or a website.

It's just for personal use.

Basically, I want to make a another spreadsheet that's just like that googlesheet.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#5 - 2015-04-15 12:06:17 UTC
just for a spreadsheet? like excell or openoffice?

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Dredd Ventura
The Autocratic Order
#6 - 2015-04-15 12:10:15 UTC
I want make an app or site that does the same work as that spreadsheet.

Do I make sense?
Because it feels like I don't.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#7 - 2015-04-15 12:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
well i guess for a site you could just build a wordpress or html website and use the api or import the google docs into wordpress posts

so using steves method to build the google docs version then having it sync with wordpress in a post, might be better ways to do this though

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Dredd Ventura
The Autocratic Order
#8 - 2015-04-15 12:17:37 UTC
Making a website would be nice and easier to share.

Any ideas on how to start it and what to you?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#9 - 2015-04-15 12:19:41 UTC
you will need a website and domain name, then install wordpress and start designing, its not something simple that can really be explained in a forum post but you can find plenty of stuff on google about building your first wordpress site

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#10 - 2015-04-15 12:20:20 UTC
Well, if you're wanting to write a web app, you have a few options, many of which depending on your choice of hosting space.

PHP, for example, is pretty much everywhere. I use it extensively. But there are 'issues' with it. One people prefer python. Which is an elegant language, but interacts quite differently.

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Dredd Ventura
The Autocratic Order
#11 - 2015-04-15 12:24:55 UTC
Thanks for the help and ideas.

Last question, how do I close this thread?
Kameloso
Starstuff Industrial
#12 - 2015-04-15 12:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kameloso
Lan Wang wrote:
you will need a website and domain name, then install wordpress and start designing, its not something simple that can really be explained in a forum post but you can find plenty of stuff on google about building your first wordpress site


as a web developer by proffession...FFS, people, stop pushing peope that want to learn coding, into Wordpress. Templating system / CMS is NOT a programming language. Ive got enough sifting thru work applications where people call themselves "Wordpress programmers"...

edit: as for "issues" w/ PHP - wat? Thats a new one for me, and I do 80% of my work in OOP PHP5.x now (at corporate/banking level)
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-04-15 13:02:32 UTC
Every language has issues, build the app with a framework like Laravel (PHP) and you'll be golden.

I disagree
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#14 - 2015-04-15 13:07:42 UTC
Kameloso wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
you will need a website and domain name, then install wordpress and start designing, its not something simple that can really be explained in a forum post but you can find plenty of stuff on google about building your first wordpress site


as a web developer by proffession...FFS, people, stop pushing peope that want to learn coding, into Wordpress. Templating system / CMS is NOT a programming language. Ive got enough sifting thru work applications where people call themselves "Wordpress programmers"...

edit: as for "issues" w/ PHP - wat? Thats a new one for me, and I do 80% of my work in OOP PHP5.x now (at corporate/banking level)


ok so your saying that wordpress isnt a programming language, wordpress is built using php css, jquery and html so explain how learning wordpress has no benefit to learning any code? he asked for building a site or app, i was referring to the site part from a perspective that its a relatively easy platform to get started with

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#15 - 2015-04-15 13:11:58 UTC
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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#16 - 2015-04-15 13:16:48 UTC
I started out with just doing simple programming in HTML and branched out from there. I don't code professionally (I actually do it as a hobby since, for some strange reason, I find it relaxing), but I love working with PHP, Javascript, Ruby, and Go.

I'll echo some of the other comments: if you go with PHP, don't learn a CMS. Many of the PHP CMSs out there are built on and reinforce some horrible practices from Ye Olde Darkages. Do yourself a favor and learn from the ground-up with good practices in mind.

Finally, I really recommend Code Academy as a free resource for learning some basic things about each language.

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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-04-15 13:20:23 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Kameloso wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
you will need a website and domain name, then install wordpress and start designing, its not something simple that can really be explained in a forum post but you can find plenty of stuff on google about building your first wordpress site


as a web developer by proffession...FFS, people, stop pushing peope that want to learn coding, into Wordpress. Templating system / CMS is NOT a programming language. Ive got enough sifting thru work applications where people call themselves "Wordpress programmers"...

edit: as for "issues" w/ PHP - wat? Thats a new one for me, and I do 80% of my work in OOP PHP5.x now (at corporate/banking level)


ok so your saying that wordpress isnt a programming language, wordpress is built using php css, jquery and html so explain how learning wordpress has no benefit to learning any code? he asked for building a site or app, i was referring to the site part from a perspective that its a relatively easy platform to get started with


I work daily with WordPress, because a lot of clients want to use it.

But let me tell you something, WordPress is horribly coded, you won't learn anything good from it. It is written in really old style PHP code. So yes, actually he is right. You won't learn how to code (properly) using WordPress.

He should not try to make any App with WordPress, WordPress is for blogging and brochure type company websites, App's can and should always be made in something much more efficient.

I disagree
Dredd Ventura
The Autocratic Order
#18 - 2015-04-15 13:29:11 UTC
hmmm

So do you guys have me learn?
Not new to programming so I got the basics down to some degree.
But it's a first for me to make an app or site for Eve online trading tool.

Like that google spreadsheet.
And I am going to branch it out to other functions.
Like including my sell orders and such.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#19 - 2015-04-15 13:30:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Kameloso wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
you will need a website and domain name, then install wordpress and start designing, its not something simple that can really be explained in a forum post but you can find plenty of stuff on google about building your first wordpress site


as a web developer by proffession...FFS, people, stop pushing peope that want to learn coding, into Wordpress. Templating system / CMS is NOT a programming language. Ive got enough sifting thru work applications where people call themselves "Wordpress programmers"...

edit: as for "issues" w/ PHP - wat? Thats a new one for me, and I do 80% of my work in OOP PHP5.x now (at corporate/banking level)


ok so your saying that wordpress isnt a programming language, wordpress is built using php css, jquery and html so explain how learning wordpress has no benefit to learning any code? he asked for building a site or app, i was referring to the site part from a perspective that its a relatively easy platform to get started with


I work daily with WordPress, because a lot of clients want to use it.

But let me tell you something, WordPress is horribly coded, you won't learn anything good from it. It is written in really old style PHP code. So yes, actually he is right. You won't learn how to code (properly) using WordPress.

He should not try to make any App with WordPress, WordPress is for blogging and brochure type company websites, App's can and should always be made in something much more efficient.


as said i wasnt referring to apps, i was more referring to websites, i have no issues with wordpress personally, it does what i need it to do, its not exactly easy to just pick up laravel and start building apps with 0 experience, taught me basics of how to do websites etc vOv

but as i also said, probably better ways to do things which are highlighted now :)

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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-04-15 14:04:41 UTC
Sorry mate, but WordPress does not teach you the basics on 'how to do websites', it teaches you on how to use WordPress. It's not good for what he wants to do, and you telling him he should try WordPress makes me cringe, read the opening post. What does he want to make? A web app with pretty specific functions, the only reason he mentioned site is because he is clueless, like yourself about web development.

I disagree
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