Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1: We never had to forcibly take over highsec to get highsec ores and both currently and after the incoming patches you will need to either ninja mine or buy it from us off market, so I can't honestly say I see anything changing from #1 from either point of view excepting demand levels for the others products.

Ours for yours will drop because deep null wont be able to move your ore anymore. Yours for ours will be less because you will not be building products for sale to the majority of nullsec anymore. Regions near highsec will still import trit and focus on the highends in null, because you will still work for less than any nullsec player.

2: Without the changes, the outer regions will become uninhabitable.

I get that you are upset that there will no longer be a massive demand for highsec Veldpar and Scordite, and that your income is going to drop significantly. To a certain degree I sympathize. But you do realize that the current market situation is basically nullsec having massive subsidies on Veldpar and Scordite? There's certainly not enough highsec and lowsec demand to drive the current levels of mining.

The current situation is an artifact of the fact that mining anomalies produce many times more highends than lowends, so that at the end of a mining op you might end up with one half a BS worth of Trit, one BS worth of Pyerite, one of Mexallon, one of Isogen, and ten BS's worth of all the highends.

At this point you have three options.
1: Import trit from highsec.
2: Ask your miners to run off to the non anomaly belts and mine veld/scord for 9 hours for each hour spent mining highends for the same price per unit as highseccers will work for, then listen to them refuse.
3: Pay your miners a decent wage that is a significant fraction of any other activity in nullsec that requires the same constant attention of nullsec mining, for what someone in highsec is currently willing to do for a third of that wage.

Well with the JF nerf, 1 is not an option, nor can you export the highends for sale if you live in deep null. 2 is never an option and still wont be afterword.

You know what 3 leads to in a closed economy? 500 mil isk t1 BS's. 3 Bil isk Carriers. T1 ships which only pay out a fraction of their cost in insurance.

This in turn results in every person asked to pay these prices to say "**** that with a rake, I'm leaving to a region where we can import trit." After all, ratting/exploration/market income didn't magically triple with the change.

Suddenly with one change something like 18 regions of nullsec become worthless overnight.


So in the end it really boils down to one question.

What does CCP care about more, the outer regions of nullsec not being even emptier than the current GW, or letting highsec veldspar miners keep their nullsec subsidies.

What do you think the answer is?


TLDR: I feel bad for you, but the writing has been on the wall for this change literally for years, and there's really no chance of CCP stopping or reverting this change. It is a central part of their long term plans.

Its funny how nullbears whine about risk aversion when they won't come into hisec and gank blinged out mission runners who are afk running.




Quite honestly because you couldn't if you tried. It'd break your bank if you went after corps, many people stay NPC corp, and concord gets after you if you were to play in hisec like you do in null. So you're risk averse, which is how hisec, with the ores you needed, maintained some bargaining power with null.

Honestly, that's how I read the situation after a bit of thinking. Apart from anoms with rare ores, which people might actually start wardeccing over rights to in hisec (one can dream!), It suddenly makes lowsec ores a lot more lucrative if the only place to get high end minerals for high sec is there, because null becomes its own little gated community.