EVE General Discussion

Lots of CODE. people are either alts or people from Sov Alliances; paradoxically as it may seem, all the big killmails are in HiSec because sov warfare is a blueballing snoozefest. You are literally guaranteed a 200m+ killmail from unlocking a catalyst in high as opposed to training years of months and buying a capital only to never have the chance to use it.

If he was that dumb to put it all in a freighter, that's on him. Welcome to EvE. Mean people will get to profit from your misfortune, or your "friend". There's profit in ganking too, that's the reality of the EvE universe. It's good that he's pissed, now he realizes that you can't be careless in New Eden and hope to hold onto your cargo for very long. Don't come here expecting sympathy, and ask yourself what drew you to EvE?

Personally, I was drawn to the fact that the big battles had such a real value loss to them, and for a lot of other peoples its the fact that you have villains who aren't just stupid end-game content in a themepark MMO. The villains here will be a lot tougher because they're real people, and you're having to match with him.

So the gankers will continue to gank and you know what, it'll be fun for them and they'll be doing the game a favor in the process. Instead of coming here and hoping some giant authority figure will take pity and change game mechanics to better suit you, find a way to resolve being metaphorically beaten up and having your lunch money taken. That might be going somewhere else, that might be finding a way to fight them, or convincing other people to band together, or any number of possible solutions. EvE gives you that freedom. So HTFU and learn to EvE.

CODE isn't that difficult to deal with. They were annoying at first. But the folks in mining systems I'm familiar with just banded together and learned to build hardened mining vessels that can be highly resistant to attack. High drone skills help. We mine in large groups and mutually support ourselves. CODE hasn't been a problem in months, and their whole premise is cheap extortion
against the weak. Train up and don't become a victim.

More than one way to mine. Get a skiff, laugh when they try, get concordokken'd without breaching your shields (it's not impossible to take a Skiff down, but it's a complete and total pain). Had them bug me a few times, mostly laughed them off because they can't fit for **** in the end, let alone actually gank someone who isn't a bot-miner.



No, we completely get what the so-called 'New Order' is about.

Namely, being hateful idiots who get their jollies off on pirating, but do a half-assed job of it and can't handle anything other than the softest of targets.

Well full disclosure, Ive only been "ganked" in highsec once and they failed. I was in an empty Bestower coming back from moving something small. It was retaliation for me blowing up one of there corpies haulers in lowsec. Kind of a silly reason but they still tried. It just ended in my scooping the loot from there force recon that concorde blew up. The randomness actully threw me a little.

If I have a crap ton worth of stuff to move and know I may be in a gank pipline, I split it up between cloaky haulers. Although I pay 45 bucks a month (been playing for over half a decade so that adds up) so I can do that. So yes I am cautious.

I fully understand the joy of planning out a gank and actually making a profit at it. it does take a lot of planning and team work. But if you do that. Dont tell the world that you only did it to make the game better.

As for the whole AP-ing thing. I dont have the data in front of me. Does CODE ever gank freighters that are not auto piloting? I honestly do not know. They probably do from time to time but Im not sure. As for the blanket argument. Even if you dont AP and are manually flying an empty frighter to move it, there is a chance people will randomly gank you. That is not the freighter pilots fault in any way. Ive seen tripple plated freighters go down for no reason. I know this is a PVP game but this is a problem. Freighters are becoming a ship that a lot of times are not worth flying because of this. I know people that are using PVP, yes PVP fitted Orcas to move things instead. While you may argue that the people that do this are just being smart and playing the game right, it also means that a ship class in the game is failing making the game broken.

Everything in EVE should have the potential to die anywhere. I believe that beyond all else as do all of you. And yes you can sometimes counter the gankers by having a proper fleet. But my god its completely possible to do the math and know you'll bring a freighter down. So bragging is silly. And the point I am trying to make is that while you may be teaching players to be smarter using the current game mechanics, you are not doing anyone any favors.

I used to bump every miner in my belt before CODE even existed just to make sure no one was botting. I was one of the first people do do this. At least as far as I know. thats why I am conflicted. I think everyone should bump miners just to see. But once you start getting into permits you are milking. Once you get into suiganking, you are farming. Wich are all legit ways of playing the game. Just dont do these things and blurt out old ideals for doing it that dont apply anymore.

Is this where we pretend that data would actually change your opinion about anything?

i wear a watch :( sadface why u read bad data

Some pvpers shoot ships that can fight back, in parts of the map where anyone can shoot anyone they like.
Clearly the intention is for there to be more to do in spaceships than shoot things.
No, really.
The three main types of play: Destructive, Creative, Gathering, in the order that infants discover them. Exploring, espionage, warfare and griefing either combine or suport one of these primary types of play.
A healthy individual has a wide range of options for interacting with others, a sick individual a very narrow range. The sick individual's few tricks will be very sharp from continual use and therefore the sickest individuals are usually the most dominant.
TLDR: sickness rules, thanks Tim.

Right there at post #10 is where I detected a scent of Eau de Troll wafting through the room. ^
Maybe instead of AFK mining, you could AFK try catching some butterflies with the kids, while leaving some drones to protect you while AFK catching butterflies with the kids? Good one, though.

You CODE. guys need some attention? Came back posting to try to whup things up and to try to revive the cause?

Ever hear of the "lowest common denominator"?