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Is there only one way to play this game now?
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Edward Gibbon
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-04-14 13:08:53 UTC
I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.

My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.

I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.

It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#2 - 2015-04-14 13:13:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
There are ways to mine successfully and annoy them. (Sending you a mail)

I recommend you join an anti-ganker group to keep up to date on what corporations and individuals you should set red. Then keep local open.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Stealth dual mode thread.
Anti-GG. Go ahead and launch your aGGro tropes. They will all fail.
Pro CODE. CODE. is actually shrinking in numbers and they are not as active as they were previously. Saying they are growing in numbers is a "stone soup" maneuver. in some areas of operation their activity curve is generally flat. In the highsec gank pipelines they are down.

Nice try.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2015-04-14 13:26:36 UTC
That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Jenshae Chiroptera
#4 - 2015-04-14 13:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet?
There is always the possibility that they are geniune ( or that a miner will read my response and want to know more.)
Quite a small effort to help throw spanners in CODE's way of play.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
OverlordY
Interspan
#5 - 2015-04-14 13:31:28 UTC
Use a skiff.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#6 - 2015-04-14 13:34:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
There are asteroids outside of high sec, they're about to get a lot better too.
Zealous Miner
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-04-14 13:38:48 UTC
Hello friend. Fellow miner here.Smile

I pilot my Procurer with both eyes on the screen and the Good News of James 315 at my side.

I've never had an issue with being ganked while mining. Fly safe. o7

Fedo. Fedo? Fedo!
Edward Gibbon
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-04-14 13:39:40 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet?


I created the alt because I know how Gamergaters/CODE types work, and I'd rather my main be left in peace.

I genuinely want to see if I'm the only one who feels that this CODE thing is going in the direction where you have a very vocal and exceptionally toxic group of people who insist that the game can only be played in their special way. Eve is a large enough universe, with enough to do, that it's resisted this sort of thing quite well.

Personally, AFK mining is a fairly big part of how I play this game and how I enjoy it. Different people coming together to play and enjoy the game, each in their own way, is a huge attraction for me. However I've moved my base of operations to three different regions now, only to encounter the same CODE thing each time. If this is the future of this game and this community then I'm not sure I want to be a part of that...
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-04-14 13:41:14 UTC
Uh? Official only two ways to play EVE: AFK mining and shooting things.
Edward Gibbon
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-04-14 13:45:02 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
There are asteroids outside of high sec, they're about to get a lot better too.



Very true, and I make a good profit from them too. But there's also great asteroids in 0.7 space where I can leave some drones to protect me from rats while I spend half an hour in the back yard with the kids trying to catch butterflys :)
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#11 - 2015-04-14 13:47:20 UTC
There are hundreds of ways to play this game. You picked two. And one of these just might be a little less convenient now. I have yet to encounter one of the so called agents of the code, so I don't know if there is indeed an increased threat.

However, EvE being an MMORPOG you never could completely eliminate player interaction and you shouldn't be able to.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2015-04-14 13:47:31 UTC
"Big part of my enjoyment of this game comes from the fact I don't actually play it."

Yeah, right... Obviously CODE is what's wrong with Eve here.

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Hector Skunk
Highsecberg.
#13 - 2015-04-14 13:47:56 UTC
So you love emergent gameplay as long as it doesn't affect you "negatively" ?

I am Hector Skunk. - "Tisiphone Dira > I feel bullied."
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#14 - 2015-04-14 13:52:55 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
There are asteroids outside of high sec, they're about to get a lot better too.



Very true, and I make a good profit from them too. But there's also great asteroids in 0.7 space where I can leave some drones to protect me from rats while I spend half an hour in the back yard with the kids trying to catch butterflys :)


Uh, yea, this is why CODE exists.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#15 - 2015-04-14 13:56:52 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet?

They're not on our troll sniffing level. *snickers xD*
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Edward Gibbon
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-04-14 14:00:52 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:

Uh, yea, this is why CODE exists.


So a ship, sitting in space, doing literally nothing, is a massive problem?

I'll keep an eye out on this thread, but I think my question has been answered.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#17 - 2015-04-14 14:04:40 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:
It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.

I really don't agree. I don't particularly care for James 315 after reading some of the diatribes he's written outside of his website, but I've rarely come across a Code member being toxic in local. Code is very easy to avoid either by relocating or tanking.

Perhaps you are just trolling - especially since you're trying to associate this with gamergate.


Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#18 - 2015-04-14 14:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Edward Gibbon wrote:
I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.

My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.

I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.

It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.


The problem is not that CODE wants you to "play their way". The big secrets is that don't give 2 {insert slang for intercourse}s about how any one plays, they do what they do because they enjoy the reactions of their targets and the wrap their operation in a propaganda veil that they know will inflame the tender sensibilities of said targets.` Lots of CODE targets are people who came to EVE because "they love sci-fi and want to fly spaceships, I don't care about the rest of it" rather than people who want to play an open world sandbox game.

No, the real problem is high sec itself. It fools people into thinking they are safe, and it helps to keep some "themepark" mmo style players playing EVE (because themepark games protect gamers from other games to a large extent) who otherwise wouldn't. What people like CODE actually do is expose people to the actual mechanical reality of EVE Online, which is like splashing sleep walking people with cold water, and the splashees really doesn't like it.

The real solution is teaching people coming in that the term "high sec" is relative, not absolute. "High" as in "higher than the rest of EVE space" not High as in "a high level of protection from other players". For warned, a player can then decide if he wants to come in to EVE online or not.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-04-14 14:17:05 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:
exceptionally toxic group of people


Edward Gibbon wrote:
...Gamergaters/CODE types...


Have you considered you might be the toxic one? That's a really nice slur you are aiming at another group of players just because you don't like what they do in a game.
Nelran Estemaire
No Spoon Inc
#20 - 2015-04-14 14:22:33 UTC
Sure, there are more ways to play this game than only one.

Forgive me if I insult you in any way but have to considered other options other than mining to play the game? There are other passive playstyles than mining in this game, allowing you to play the game and with your kids at the same time.

From my point of view you see at this in to ways, either give up on the game or apapt, I really struggle to see adapting as a limiting way to play the game.
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