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Amarr/Minmatar Warzone Update 2.0
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Alowishus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2015-04-16 00:25:12 UTC
So much anger. Would a hug help?
Aslon Seridith
Biohazard.
#62 - 2015-04-16 00:55:07 UTC
Alowishus wrote:
So much anger. Would a hug help?


Come into my arms.

㋡ it's ASLON SERIDTH? | Minmatar Most Loved #1 | Gave Amarr a Medal | Orchestrator of BurnHuola'14 |

Author of: How to win FW in 3 months | Nullsec Bittervet | www.winmatar.com
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#63 - 2015-04-16 03:18:12 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Alli Ginthur wrote:
You guys should just do what Iron Oxide and a few other former MinMil groups did and join in with GalMil piling onto an overmatched and outnumbered CalMil. Get those good vibes again beating a dead horse in a wz quickly slanting to one militia, while squaring off regularly with the local pirates and watching the other militia wither and die.

Even better, I hear lp is way more lucrative in GalMil. So win win for everyone!

Well, not CalMil, but the Gals have given up the concern trolling about having a healthy opposing militia, happily enjoying bigger ship content against the pirate entities, while regularly taunting about CalMil "blobbing" and yet constantly upshipping above anything CalMil can bring in almost all situations. Not to mention complaining that CalMil doesn't live in the warzone, yet actively sieging and removing any attempt for us to do just that (for the most recent examples, look at Rakapas and currently Kehjari).

Im sure GalMil would love having you all with them!

If you're so butthurt about Caldari sucking, go start your own thread about it and stop derailing this one.


And Agha, take it slow, take a break, block Mystical Might and Fweddit and things instantly look a lot better.


TL;DR: Pirates being pirates, Fweddit shitting up the whole thread, linked Garmurs still op.



lmao mate you really should just calm down and try again.

Lol galmil
agharaster
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#64 - 2015-04-16 09:14:10 UTC
Suun Ablehart wrote:


As others have clarified already, we are pirate. We don't take sides in FW. Our KB shows that we will gleefully hyperdunk anyone who isn't blue to us (our blue list has only two entities on it), whether it be other pirates, Amarr, Minmatar, whatever. That being said, as most of us are ex-Minmatar militia we tend to have a soft spot for our old friends. It's too bad that most of our old friends decided to -10 and not even try to talk to us, when we're more than open to talking (cheers agha, not referring to you).

LOL i'm not complaining because you left militia, i did it when, right after the amarr victor taking all the systems, periphery, in the person of Annah as FC, started camping gates with kitey stuff while we were taking back bosboger. that was rude, unrespectful, and i don't see the soft spot.

Suun Ablehart wrote:

There isn't really a warzone anymore, and hasn't been for a few years now. FW is dead. Lobbing masses of frigates and destroyers at the other side is mind numbingly boring to us and something we tried to affect change on for a long time before leaving militia. To each their own though.

It seems the opposite, your only content now is generated by the Factional Warfare, or you have the balls to take your moons back from DT? Is it fun when you sit in your station with 25 archons and hundreds T3 taking your pos? LOL
FW is generating content, politics, rage, love and fights, what are you looking for?
As you can read from the thread, your ex amarr pilots know who is friend and who is foe, unfortunately you don't.


tl:dr true story you periphery became mystical might's puppets, is that worth to "may" have triumvirate on your side? are you ready to swallow tons of **** for that?
Micky, I'd rather block mustellids and mutiny ahoy, as they revealed to be false friends, mystical has always been an enemy, no problem with that, he seem to be a nice guy and he is definitely the only one there that deserve to be called pirate. At least he asked for iskies to stop the hub harassment, Big smile respect.

BTW who the hell is Sebastien? i'm looking at his KB and the last newbie that joined Hoplite have more kills than him. Are we sure he can talk about FW? For what i know U'K doesn't agree whith his PoV.
James Clough
Space-Brewery-Association
#65 - 2015-04-16 14:12:04 UTC
The warzone's not dead! we chased a minmatar cruiser fleet for a good half an hour yesterday before they finally made it to HS.

#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
Suun Ablehart
Parallax Shift
#66 - 2015-04-16 15:21:32 UTC
Piracy works this way: Just because we're friendly with entities or people doesn't mean we don't shoot them. We have good relations with 7-2 for example, but we still shoot at each other and then wave pleasantly afterward because no one's whinging.

About those 25 DT/AD Archons. You must have missed the BRs. We defended our moons and DT/AD bailed like bitches when we are in prime time. The only times they have been able to take our moons is when we ended up having a shi t timer. See, there is something called RL, and it's quite important. I'll appropriate something from DT/AD's spin machine here. We're not going to do a CTA for a "shi t" Cadmium moon at 14:00. If DT/AD thinks it's quite clever to do said full CTA, then pussyfoot coming out in Ishtars so they can spin a success when they knew we weren't gonna come, we've already done our work in putting fear in them.

Regarding Tri, I will again state that we have no working relationship with Tri. Anyone who *actually* participated in the fight last Sunday (which I'll point out that Hoplite did not) would've seen that they were a third party, shooting at both sides, including ours. Hell, you could even figure that out by reviewing BRs.

Parallax SHIFT // @SuunAblehart

Recruiting Pilots // Low-sec Pirate Corp
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#67 - 2015-04-16 17:41:46 UTC
Quote:
The only times they have been able to take our moons is when we ended up having a shi t timer. See, there is something called RL, and it's quite important. I'll appropriate something from DT/AD's spin machine here. We're not going to do a CTA for a "shi t" Cadmium moon at 14:00..



how 2 time tower 101

i teach that class everyday at 04:20 eve time
Philpip
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#68 - 2015-04-17 13:12:02 UTC
agharaster wrote:


tl:dr true story you periphery became mystical might's puppets, is that worth to "may" have triumvirate on your side? are you ready to swallow tons of **** for that?
Micky, I'd rather block mustellids and mutiny ahoy, as they revealed to be false friends, mystical has always been an enemy, no problem with that, he seem to be a nice guy and he is definitely the only one there that deserve to be called pirate. At least he asked for iskies to stop the hub harassment, Big smile respect.


Whoa how did we get singled out? Agha, please feel free to link / paste any correspondence relating to this 'false friend' status. Or any at all tbh because I have had no contact with you whatsoever.

You might want to get a few facts straight first though, being that the majority of us left Triad as a number of us had actually unsubbed as we had got tired of FW and the game in general. The goal was to keep a close group of friends together.

The first move was to get out of FW space while still in Triad but this caused a rift with the rp'ers. So we moved on completely to BL which wasn't for us. We then formed Mutiny, almost as a stop-gap until we figured out what we wanted to do. This consisted of lowsec roams and a bit of tear farming in the form or hisec shenanigans.

As soon as Mutiny was formed we contacted U'K for mutual blue status. This was put to a vote and guess what? They said no thank you.

Then the opportunity to join Periphery (along with a couple of other options) came along so here we are.

No, you were not blobbed, you just didn't bring enough people to the fight!
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#69 - 2015-04-17 17:57:44 UTC
Philpip wrote:
As soon as Mutiny was formed we contacted U'K for mutual blue status. This was put to a vote and guess what? They said no thank you.
It's hard to blue somebody you know will shoot other friendly corps in your militia. Goes against the whole "We're a team" philosophy necessary to build a strong militia.
Philpip
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#70 - 2015-04-17 18:35:41 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Philpip wrote:
As soon as Mutiny was formed we contacted U'K for mutual blue status. This was put to a vote and guess what? They said no thank you.
It's hard to blue somebody you know will shoot other friendly corps in your militia. Goes against the whole "We're a team" philosophy necessary to build a strong militia.


Yep, I completely appreciate that, but an unrelated third party is in no position to comment or make accusations.

No, you were not blobbed, you just didn't bring enough people to the fight!
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#71 - 2015-04-17 20:37:23 UTC
Philpip wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Philpip wrote:
As soon as Mutiny was formed we contacted U'K for mutual blue status. This was put to a vote and guess what? They said no thank you.
It's hard to blue somebody you know will shoot other friendly corps in your militia. Goes against the whole "We're a team" philosophy necessary to build a strong militia.
Yep, I completely appreciate that, but an unrelated third party is in no position to comment or make accusations.

I read it as "we are justified in shooting Minmatar because they spurned us." My bad.

IMO, actively hunting your former militia while they try to bash a hub (which is a sh** job as we all know since you're a sitting duck for every pirate corp in the area - especially for low sp/weak corps) is pretty poor form. It's like cheering against your school after you've graduated.

But I get why people who leave militia do it. No need to explain.
Thorin Matarielle
The All-Seeing Eye
GaNg BaNg TeAm
#72 - 2015-04-18 19:02:56 UTC
agharaster wrote:
In the last few days we had the prove that the "so called" neutral entities are involved in the Factional Warfare under the Amarr flag.
"Already Disbanded" is supporting Amarr Militia in Eszur, "Flexpoint" is supporting in Kurniainen and "The Periphery" is right now defending the Gulmorogod I-Hub and deplexing with their amarr alts.





LOL! Already Disbanded shooting both parties so as Flexpoint. As of Periphery I have no idea what they are doing but if these mentioned entitties above were supporting Amarr the Minmatar militia would be in highsec AGAIN without a single system.


PIC

Dead Terrorists - Already Disbanded are the same AIDS pls do not fail to notice that! Lol This topic started with an epic fail but the rest of the thread is hilarious! :) Keep flowing pls.
Philpip
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#73 - 2015-04-19 07:25:01 UTC
agharaster wrote:
In the last few days we had the prove that the "so called" neutral entities are involved in the Factional Warfare under the Amarr flag.
"Already Disbanded" is supporting Amarr Militia in Eszur, "Flexpoint" is supporting in Kurniainen and "The Periphery" is right now defending the Gulmorogod I-Hub and deplexing with their amarr alts.





Again, a statement without fact. The fact is we have alts of all races and are maintaining the status quo in terms of plexing. As for the I-Hub, well, give us targets (especially static ones) we will shoot them.

PS, still waiting for the evidence to support your 'false friends' statement.

No, you were not blobbed, you just didn't bring enough people to the fight!
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2015-04-19 08:36:02 UTC
Thorin Matarielle wrote:
agharaster wrote:
In the last few days we had the prove that the "so called" neutral entities are involved in the Factional Warfare under the Amarr flag.
"Already Disbanded" is supporting Amarr Militia in Eszur, "Flexpoint" is supporting in Kurniainen and "The Periphery" is right now defending the Gulmorogod I-Hub and deplexing with their amarr alts.





LOL! Already Disbanded shooting both parties so as Flexpoint. As of Periphery I have no idea what they are doing but if these mentioned entitties above were supporting Amarr the Minmatar militia would be in highsec AGAIN without a single system.


PIC

Dead Terrorists - Already Disbanded are the same AIDS pls do not fail to notice that! Lol This topic started with an epic fail but the rest of the thread is hilarious! :) Keep flowing pls.


I will spell it out for you:

Wanna Killyou is an FC in Already Disbanded along with an alt of his that I forget the name of who also FC's, he is an ex Winmatar guy who still holds a grudge. He was propping you guys up in Eszur (and told us as much in Local) and led a fleet to disrupt things in Gulmo as well. Without his interference we probably would have taken Eszur twice over by now. Ask him if you want. Of course we have to take into account that if we engage AD so close to Siseide then we can guarantee Dead Terrorist bat phone being used - it also is worth pointing out that one of DT's constituent corporations Calibrated Chaos is full of ex-Amarr militia. Heck look for their videos on You Tube.


http://evenews24.com/2015/04/16/30b-isk-brawl-in-bosboger/

The above article independantly confirms our claims of Flex Points links to the Amarr militia in the form of Neos Fleet and Old Man Gang. Whilst I was not there I am told that Amarr militia had to batphone them to help in Kurnianan, I can't guarantee that that's what happened but the links are clearly there.

Whilst The Peripjery are determined to stay officially neutral it does cause Minnie Militia more problems as we have to attack the system, whether that's the bunker bash or having to put DPS into the larger plexes. Meanwhile Amarr militia can chill out putting unarmed stabbed frigates in any plexes and d-plex in relative ease. Anyone who remembers fighting in Burn Huola will remember Periphery Pilots such as Tikktok Toxic and Periphery associate Mystical Might batted for the Amarr then, I find it hard to believe that many of RIFTs ex Amarr members are just being opportunists in Gulmo.

Anyway if we take the Warzone it will be an accomplishment, despite Amarr Militias protests you do hold the high ground and you do as a collective have almost every major pirate force in the Warzone helping you out. But hey no one signs up to Minnie Mil expecting an easy life right?
Varrinox
Shadows of the Empire
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#75 - 2015-04-19 10:55:56 UTC
Neutrals helping one side or another is nothing new, you think a few **** moves by linked and snaked garmurs are an issue. I used to have suddenly spaceships dropped on my fleets after hours of being trolled by talwar konga lines. Even had a super carrier fleet dropped on our bash fleet once. And you don't know pain until you have lived and been active in the war zone when PL and shadow lived nearby.

As for the point of old amarrian groups helping amarr and Minnie's just kill their old buddies. This is more a matter of groups being on good terms. be nice to people and they will help you. It is that simple.

I'm sure after a while you will understand that this is just how FW is, fractured and chaotic by nature, adapt and abuse it.
Annah Kitheran
Angry Mustellid
#76 - 2015-04-19 14:19:59 UTC
Varrinox wrote:
As for the point of old amarrian groups helping amarr and Minnie's just kill their old buddies. This is more a matter of groups being on good terms. be nice to people and they will help you. It is that simple.


Thread summarised. GG
agharaster
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#77 - 2015-04-19 14:39:24 UTC
Get popcorn, more popcorn and some soda:

epic saturday night for Minmatar Militia.
5-6 Hours war-faring, chilling on comms, screaming, broadcasting primaries, reloading and recycling guns, spitting blood and laughing about it all again.

We capped isbrabata after we defeated a couple amarr fleets and some pirates, including a SC sacri fleet! (actually we ran after a miserable attempt to kill one of their sacri before the backup comes).
here the battle report:
http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2087&b=6466509&e=668&t=bywuieuPQQA&r=1&ro=627


and we contested Gulmo at 95% until the Periphery alts starts D-plexing it again.

Plexing with an amarr alt at tier 2 demonstrates Peraphery is actually involved in the FW, no matter how they spit on the FW mechanic or they say they have contents, a lot of contents :).
They have so many contents that they can skip a fight against the Shadow Cartel Sacri fleet because they are too busy deplexing gulmo, LOL

here the battle report for Gulmo:
http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2517&b=6466149&e=890&t=dOgOQIjiacaio&r=1

Good job on the efficiency for minnie militia, even if we lost the fight against the paruphery spider confessors (well, not that good for Hoplite because almost all the ships we lost were given for free to fleet members). Oh Yes, this is the way we do to drop content, easybizy warfare and FUN, A LOT OF FUN for everyone, included 1M SP Players..


Varrinox, words, we could have gently asked periphery to not deplex gulm, please, and we could have be nice with annah because he didn't organize anything big to harass us on the i-hub but just few kiters and few amarr alts deplexing. Yes because you need something big to harass bombers and destroyers bashing an i-hub.
Ok, next time i'll try not to insult anyone, i'll be nice and i'll put my head down. (i'm sarcastic, you never know how many idiots can not catch the sarcasm).

The truth is Minmatar doesn't want third parties to feed, finally we can call an army of knight who say "ni", nothing more. This is a political choice and we are dealing with it, no dramas at all.

This thread is just a FW update from minmatar militia point of view. GG annah sticking your nose in it.

o/
agha
Varrinox
Shadows of the Empire
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#78 - 2015-04-19 15:24:19 UTC
An update thread? In your first few lines of the first post you mentioned non FW 3rd parties. Don't get me wrong I want nothing to do with neutrals either, for me if it is not amarr it is fair game. But alas the warzone is as such that we are small fish and pirate groups can to some extent do as they wish with us.

Perhaps a gentlemens agreement should be aimed for between our militias. It has been around in the past between the likes of predator elite/mnemic and annah. Agreement being that if neutrals show up militias group up to deal with them then continue with their FW fight.

All in all it is nice to see some passion for the warzone again :)
Ragnar STS
Arcane Odyssey
Electus Matari
#79 - 2015-04-19 15:58:03 UTC
X Gallentius is right on.

Philpip's guys are just kind of pathetic really. Left Ushra on decent terms with no hard feelings. They wanted to do big and exciting things and somehow we were holding them back. One would expect them to challenge sov somewhere, get in some giant big fights, live out of a wormhole for a while, explore new space, etc.

But they've done none of that. They've just sort of turned into opportunistic griefers and haven't even bothered changing systems. It takes a special kind of loser to claim you're leaving for wonderful things...but not go anywhere....and not do anything you havent' done 9000 times before.
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#80 - 2015-04-19 18:39:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Horak Thor
Ragnar STS wrote:
X Gallentius is right on.

Philpip's guys are just kind of pathetic really. Left Ushra on decent terms with no hard feelings. They wanted to do big and exciting things and somehow we were holding them back. One would expect them to challenge sov somewhere, get in some giant big fights, live out of a wormhole for a while, explore new space, etc.

But they've done none of that. They've just sort of turned into opportunistic griefers and haven't even bothered changing systems. It takes a special kind of loser to claim you're leaving for wonderful things...but not go anywhere....and not do anything you havent' done 9000 times before.


When we first formed this corp, before we had ever moved back into the minnie warzone we offered blue standings which were turned down, we thought about what we wanted to do next and got lots of offers.
The periphery have been 0 dramas, very accommodating and generally awesome dudes, the exact opposite of the guy right here sat bitterly at his keyboard mad that some guys decided to leave. Exactly the same as the guy that started this thread, exactly the same as all the **** talking that goes on in militia.
One of the main reasons we left was due to ******** drama, like you attempting to create a vote to take over ushra? yeah.

Since being in Periph we have been part of some huge fights, exactly what we were after, caps faction bs and all that jazz.
On our down time we PVP in gulm, if you are suprised that you are coming to our home system and we are fighting you, you are absolutely forest gump level special.

.....