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Amarr/Minmatar Warzone Update 2.0
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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#41 - 2015-04-14 20:32:37 UTC
FCing your first system push is a difficult challenge. I was fortunate to have a lot of support from more experienced GalMil leadership when it came down to the hub bash for mine. It sounds like waiting 2 hours trying to "buffer" really cost you. My advice for the next time is to get people on the hub asap and have a small gang of frigs work on buffer.

If you have 30-40 people in fleet and a vulnerable hub you can be sure you don't need at least 30 of them running timers.
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#42 - 2015-04-14 21:10:57 UTC
G'day good sirs,

Just chiming in to say that I enjoyed myself, and look forward to doing this again sometime. If anyone has any complaints or questions, feel free to shoot myself a mail or ask on these here forums.

For those who are somewhat confused (???), I was only FCing a small, small periphery fleet of around 7-10 guys. It hit 13 once minmatar left system for the last time, and we switched our attention to the amarrians and random neutral gangs that were floating around the area - when the biggest gang leaves local, you look for the next big thing right?

I look forward to working with my sister alliance AlreadyDeadTerrorists in the defense of the amarr enslaved systems. Ots, my PA, seems to be completely and utterly drunk at the moment so I'll have to spank him first.

Alas, we'll be seeing you soon.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#43 - 2015-04-14 22:10:20 UTC
No reason to be so serious, I just had a string of really good fights with Minmatar. If you want Gulm, just come and try take it, it is as simple as that. We might win, you might win, but if you aren't enjoying yourself you are doing it wrong.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#44 - 2015-04-15 05:23:18 UTC
damn those pirates. shooting things in their home systems.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#45 - 2015-04-15 06:23:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Liafcipe9000
Bienator II wrote:
damn those pirates. shooting things in their home systems.

trolling intensifies.

but really, things like this mostly take courage born of badassery.
Abel Havelock
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2015-04-15 09:07:38 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
damn those pirates. shooting things in their home systems.


How dare they be non-partisan! The scum!

Let's be honest, Slavematar, if you didn't ***** so prettily, they'd probably wouldn't dunk you so much.

DRINK | PLEX | WELP | REPEAT | Dirt 'n' Glitter
Otsdarva IV
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#47 - 2015-04-15 13:21:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Otsdarva IV
Lol i guess PYRE (MORE LIKE PIRATES AMIRITE) have finally worked out who my director level agent is.


Bye bye MCF1B

dng sends its retards


alliance and corp wallet @ zero too lol
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#48 - 2015-04-15 13:39:13 UTC
Thanks, ratboy.

Nothing to see here. Move along, move along!

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#49 - 2015-04-15 13:39:30 UTC
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! *shakes fist*

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#50 - 2015-04-15 13:53:56 UTC
We should've paid DT more for their premium counter-espionage service.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#51 - 2015-04-15 14:17:39 UTC
Oops.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2015-04-15 14:23:59 UTC
The way this thread is going I'm starting to think that Amarr militia have spent too much time staring at their lasers...
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#53 - 2015-04-15 14:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Desiderya
We're still high from the victory party that DT&friends (love u periphery) organized for us.
There's only so much crash a body can take.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#54 - 2015-04-15 14:46:39 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
The way this thread is going I'm starting to think that Amarr militia have spent too much time staring at their lasers...


Bzzzzt

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Philpip
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#55 - 2015-04-15 15:03:05 UTC
Sebastien Starstrider wrote:
I get the sense that people are taking this too seriously, and also looking for somebody other than themselves to blame. Would our Minmatar fleet have taken the hub if opposition wasn't present? Yeah, certainly. But there was opposition. In the form of a single stabbed amarr executioner running plexes, who happeend to take the system out of vulnerable on us even, and maybe sixish pirate pilots.

With our fleet of 20-30 or more, and being so lose to a staging location, we should have been able to reship into something more serious, and to shut them down completely. But we didn't, we kept trying the same old thing, and we continued to lose pilots for it. What does this tell you? It tells me that we need a better capacity to ship up to the forces that might oppose us. We wouldn't have needed very much to do it. just the willingness to do it.

Instead of blaming Periphery, or accusing them of coordinating with Amarr, why not just meet the challenge presented? It only needed to be a minor hurdle for a fleet our size, not a great obstacle. Try looking inward more, to see what you could have done better, and how we could have better met the challenge, before complaining about unfairness. With the numbers we had, any complaint about unfairness on our part can only make us look weaker.

Cheers to the Periphery guys for providing a fun challenge for us. I hope that it can be an event that we learn from, a nudge in the direction of having more serious fleets with more capable ship doctrines and the logistics to have those ships and reships where we need them.


Seb, your common sense has no place here! Please take it elsewhere Big smile

No, you were not blobbed, you just didn't bring enough people to the fight!
Suun Ablehart
Parallax Shift
#56 - 2015-04-15 16:48:10 UTC
Sebastien Starstrider wrote:
I get the sense that people are taking this too seriously, and also looking for somebody other than themselves to blame. Would our Minmatar fleet have taken the hub if opposition wasn't present? Yeah, certainly. But there was opposition. In the form of a single stabbed amarr executioner running plexes, who happeend to take the system out of vulnerable on us even, and maybe sixish pirate pilots.

With our fleet of 20-30 or more, and being so lose to a staging location, we should have been able to reship into something more serious, and to shut them down completely. But we didn't, we kept trying the same old thing, and we continued to lose pilots for it. What does this tell you? It tells me that we need a better capacity to ship up to the forces that might oppose us. We wouldn't have needed very much to do it. just the willingness to do it.

Instead of blaming Periphery, or accusing them of coordinating with Amarr, why not just meet the challenge presented? It only needed to be a minor hurdle for a fleet our size, not a great obstacle. Try looking inward more, to see what you could have done better, and how we could have better met the challenge, before complaining about unfairness. With the numbers we had, any complaint about unfairness on our part can only make us look weaker.

Cheers to the Periphery guys for providing a fun challenge for us. I hope that it can be an event that we learn from, a nudge in the direction of having more serious fleets with more capable ship doctrines and the logistics to have those ships and reships where we need them.


Cheers Seb :) We are recruiting old friends, you know ;)

As others have clarified already, we are pirate. We don't take sides in FW. Our KB shows that we will gleefully hyperdunk anyone who isn't blue to us (our blue list has only two entities on it), whether it be other pirates, Amarr, Minmatar, whatever. That being said, as most of us are ex-Minmatar militia we tend to have a soft spot for our old friends. It's too bad that most of our old friends decided to -10 and not even try to talk to us, when we're more than open to talking (cheers agha, not referring to you).

There isn't really a warzone anymore, and hasn't been for a few years now. FW is dead. Lobbing masses of frigates and destroyers at the other side is mind numbingly boring to us and something we tried to affect change on for a long time before leaving militia. To each their own though.

Parallax SHIFT // @SuunAblehart

Recruiting Pilots // Low-sec Pirate Corp
Nikolai Agnon
Khanid Propulsion Systems
Local Is Primary
#57 - 2015-04-15 19:11:23 UTC
Suun Ablehart wrote:

There isn't really a warzone anymore, and hasn't been for a few years now. FW is dead. Lobbing masses of frigates and destroyers at the other side is mind numbingly boring to us and something we tried to affect change on for a long time before leaving militia. To each their own though.


I read that entire paragraph as "FW is dead. FW remains dead. And we have killed it.".

It is a common theme that FW is the realm of low-level warfare. When vets want to start using shinier toys in battle and want bigger and better fights that are more strategic than frig-fests, they usually graduate to piracy.

How entitled the Minnies must be to feel 'betrayed' when ex-Minmatar shoot them. Good thing our loyal pets AD/DT continue to play nicely with us and squelch the dirty slaves :)

Nikolai Agnon for CSM XI!

FacWar | Lowsec | PVE | API
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#58 - 2015-04-15 19:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Nikolai Agnon wrote:
I read that entire paragraph as "FW is dead. FW remains dead. And we have killed it.".

It is a common theme that FW is the realm of low-level warfare. When vets want to start using shinier toys in battle and want bigger and better fights that are more strategic than frig-fests, they usually graduate to piracy.

How entitled the Minnies must be to feel 'betrayed' when ex-Minmatar shoot them. Good thing our loyal pets AD/DT continue to play nicely with us and squelch the dirty slaves :)

If only there was some way to break this endless cycle of leaving FW to ship up, and then shipping back down to shoot your former militia friends to generate some content.....
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#59 - 2015-04-15 19:22:36 UTC
Alli Ginthur wrote:
You guys should just do what Iron Oxide and a few other former MinMil groups did and join in with GalMil piling onto an overmatched and outnumbered CalMil. Get those good vibes again beating a dead horse in a wz quickly slanting to one militia, while squaring off regularly with the local pirates and watching the other militia wither and die.

Even better, I hear lp is way more lucrative in GalMil. So win win for everyone!

Well, not CalMil, but the Gals have given up the concern trolling about having a healthy opposing militia, happily enjoying bigger ship content against the pirate entities, while regularly taunting about CalMil "blobbing" and yet constantly upshipping above anything CalMil can bring in almost all situations. Not to mention complaining that CalMil doesn't live in the warzone, yet actively sieging and removing any attempt for us to do just that (for the most recent examples, look at Rakapas and currently Kehjari).

Im sure GalMil would love having you all with them!

If you're so butthurt about Caldari sucking, go start your own thread about it and stop derailing this one.


And Agha, take it slow, take a break, block Mystical Might and Fweddit and things instantly look a lot better.


TL;DR: Pirates being pirates, Fweddit shitting up the whole thread, linked Garmurs still op.

pew pew
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#60 - 2015-04-15 19:25:43 UTC
Suun Ablehart wrote:
It's too bad that most of our old friends decided to -10 and not even try to talk to us, when we're more than open to talking (cheers agha, not referring to you).


You've made your bed, now lie in it. Don't act like you didn't know what would happen.

pew pew