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Advice on Gila fit

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Spud Lazair
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-04-13 18:35:40 UTC
I have been using this fit below to run lvl4 missions, it seems hardy enough, but am wondering if there is anything i could alter in order to improve the fit.

[Gila, Gila]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


'Augmented' Hammerhead x2
Vespa II x2
Valkyrie II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Infiltrator II x2

Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x704
Inferno Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x100
Mjolnir Light Missile x716
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x2800
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x908
Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x288
Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x100

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-04-13 18:38:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Change one LSE for an AB, you will mitigate more damage moving quickly than the extra LSE provides while moving slowly, not to mention cut down on mission times when you need to get to a far off gate.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Spud Lazair
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-04-13 19:24:04 UTC
thanks i had considered that but never got round to trying it, makes sense now someone else has said it :)

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-04-13 22:55:38 UTC
Spud Lazair wrote:
I have been using this fit below to run lvl4 missions, it seems hardy enough, but am wondering if there is anything i could alter in order to improve the fit.

[Gila, Gila]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


'Augmented' Hammerhead x2
Vespa II x2
Valkyrie II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Infiltrator II x2

Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x704
Inferno Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x100
Mjolnir Light Missile x716
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x2800
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x908
Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x288
Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x100

/me points at a drake.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

GordonO
BURN EDEN
#5 - 2015-04-14 01:20:17 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Spud Lazair wrote:
I have been using this fit below to run lvl4 missions, it seems hardy enough, but am wondering if there is anything i could alter in order to improve the fit.

[Gila, Gila]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


'Augmented' Hammerhead x2
Vespa II x2
Valkyrie II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Infiltrator II x2

Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x704
Inferno Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x100
Mjolnir Light Missile x716
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x2800
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x908
Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x288
Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Light Missile I x100

/me points at a drake.



gila will out dps a drake

... What next ??

Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-04-14 08:19:12 UTC
First, sorry for my English, it is not my native. Here my current Gila fit:

[Gila, mission - optimize vs Gurista]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Internal Force Field Array I

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Drone Link Augmentator I
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Caldari Navy Vespa x2
Caldari Navy Vespa x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Salvage Drone x4

Scourge Fury Light Missile x500
Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile x500

MTU x1

With Skills “All lvl 4”:
Drone DPS: 500 (~400 applied) on EVERETING (sic!);
Missile Dps: 129 with reloads (~100 applied);
Shield Defense: 279 dps (vs Gurista);
Shield Size: 12 200;
EHP: 73 000;
Signature: 220m;
Speed: ~600 m/s (~520 if orbiting at 5km);
Align/Warp time 9,8/10 sec.

If you have some CPU issues, use experimental Amplifiers, B-type is enough. Change Amplifiers to rat specific or use one Invulnerability Field + 2 Amplifiers.
This is tested, unstoppable, full passive lvl 4 mission fit as soon as you get Shields and Drone Support Skills up to 4. Just keep orbiting and you can handle 10-15 (20 if Gurista or Sansha) Battleships shooting on you, with shields drops not below ~ 70%.

Fly in save!
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-04-14 09:35:21 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
Yolli Sly wrote:

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

with shields drops not below ~ 70%.

Fly in save!


Why an Extender over a 3rd Purger Rig, if you never drop below 70%?

Edit: If you have ALL V Fitting Skills you can even fit it that way:

[Gila, mission - optimize vs Gurista]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Caldari Navy Vespa x2

Though I think a small tractor beam would be helpful instead of Drone Link Augmentor to be faster if you need to scoop loot.

A 3rd Purger will push passive recharge against Guristas to 380dps. Wich means as well you can drop the DC 2, fit a cheap Pithum C-Type Thermic Amp and still have the same shield recharge rate like before, but space to fit a Ballistic Control System II for a total of 815dps or if you use more the drones a 4th DDA for 799dps instead of 764dps like your fit does at all V.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2015-04-14 11:16:40 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Change one LSE for an AB, you will mitigate more damage moving quickly than the extra LSE provides while moving slowly, not to mention cut down on mission times when you need to get to a far off gate.


That's what I would do too. You will have no problems in any mission with that.

What I also you improve on would be to ditch specific hardeners and go for one adaptive invulnerability field II a drone navigation computer if it fits a drone control link instead of the tractor beam.

If you enter a mission area, drop a MTU near the second gate, if any, and orbit the mtu at 20-30km and let the drones do the work for you.
Be careful though, at some point the NPCs might go for them so your target priority list is from small to large - always.

The drone navigation computer will make your drones really fast and you can fill the last slot with a shield recharger or a target painter if you fit heavy missiles - range is your best friend there.

Just don't get carried away and do that against sleepers or incursion sanshas.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-04-14 11:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
elitatwo wrote:

What I also you improve on would be to ditch specific hardeners and go for one adaptive invulnerability field II a drone navigation computer if it fits a drone control link instead of the tractor beam.


Are you sure, that just 140-190passive shield recharge is enough, depending on your opponent in every Level 4 Mission? In some missions yes. But in the harder missions I have some doubts about that, but would as well recommend if you have the tank / security to drop one tank module, then fit a DNC.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-04-14 11:52:18 UTC
To HoruSeth

Mmmmm, maybe because I am not Forums or EFT(Pifa) warrior?

OK, let explain my fit.

1. You right, third Purger gives ~70 DPS more, but lows shield’s HP to 10 000 and this 2 000 HP matters. When I said I can handle 15-20 Battleships I said nothing about Cruiser`s and Tower`s damage. They hurt and hurt Gila hard. This Extender helps me to meet whole pocket`s incoming damage, not only from Battleships.

2. Are you seen MTUx1? Well, no offense. DLA is useful when there are Neutralizer and Stasis Towers. Usually they are in ~50-70km range and DLA helps a lot to reach them. And I am too lazy to refit Highs all the time.

3. Why not BCS? Because Gila`s missiles do so pathetic damage. No matter how many BCSs you put in low, damage still be pathetic. I use them only to take agro. You can use Gila successfully without any. Just put one target painter in middle. Why to amplify something useless? Yes, missiles help time to time, but no on lvl 4 missions. On lvl 3 missions they help a lot, but still it is no worth to use BCS.

4. All in 5? Why everyone on this Forum suggest All_in_5 fits? Why even have to mentions lvl 5 skills? How long I have to train and haw many skills I need to up to 5? 9, 10 months, even year?

Gila is so amazing and so novice friendly ship, because she (he?) shines with all in 4 skills.

Are read ON EVERYTHING? Read again and remember – on everything. What this means? This means you pass frigates and cruisers like knife cross butter. 3-5 hits to kill elite frigate, 5-7 elite cruiser. Battleships are other beer. Let do the mats. Standard Battleship has about 30 000 EHP. 30 000/400 = 75. 75 sec (or 1,2 min) is needed to kill Battleship. If elite or named – 1.7 to 2 min. Haw lvl 5 skills can help to speed this? “799 instead 764”. LOL. No tnx.

My pilot is 3.5 month toon with ~5,000,000,000 SP. 1,5 bil in missiles, 850 mil in drones, rest in shields (all in 4) and navigation, targeting, etc. And I am just fine on every HS activity – lvl4 missions, exploration, belt hunting, everything. This is because I fly on Gila All_in_4 fit. And I am happy with Gila`s suggested fit.

To use or not to use it (or less to get some ideas how to fit Gila) is up to you.

Again, no offense.

Fly in safe!
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-04-14 12:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
no offense? Mmmh, OK. But it reads a little different. Anyway. 3 comments:

1. ALL V Fittings and stats are usually used to be able to compare Fittings! You can not compare the same fitting with your skills and my skills, which are a little more, but as well not ALL V. That has nothing to do with trying to look elite. It's just to have a basis on which everybody can compare fits. I am sure you can understand this point.

2. MTU/Tractor Beam: Read again please. " to be faster if you need to scoop loot.", which means if you are blitzing missions. Please don't tell me you are using a MTU to loot a specific wreck. ^^
If you loot and salvage missions, just make a bm and come back after 4-5missions with a Noctis. I would not recomment salvaging with a Gila with 4 Salvage Drones to be honest. That's wasted time. Go mining would generate more ISK. XD

3. HP vs. Purger. Then referring to Battleship and Shield HP is useless. I know that Cruisers and Elite Frigages are more dangerous or towers, especially if they web you. But your HP give you a theoretical advantage of 2.5-3min. Usually a L4 mission takes longer than that. Know what to do and not just orbit things may help to mitigate a lot of damage which you might catch? Though for beginners the Extender may help. No doubt. This is like Fitting FAction Medium or even Large SB to Tengus to be on the "safe" side. :)

Ah, maybe a 4th comment: Not using your missiles is just lazy. RLML perfectly suits the Gila! Take out the frigs with the missiles and let your drones take out the bigger stuff or far away enemies/towers. This will increase your killspeed significantly. If you think the missile dps is not really worth the effort to pres F1, you maybe still have to learn a little, young Padawan. The missile dps on your and my Gila is 25-30% of your total damage! That nothing to be mitigated! You can, but you shouldn't.

I fly the Gila a lot, really a lot. I know this thing is a beast and you don't need very high skills for it. So believe me, that I am not just talking about EFT. This ship flys Level 3 mission practically afk and I have never seen a ship before like the Gila, which allows you to enter Level 4 with compared quite low skills. If that ship would have existed in this style when I started EVE ... OMG.

I will try to remember for the next time to to try to improve your ship fitting! Sorry for that.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-04-14 15:08:28 UTC
To every one.

Well, when I posted my fit, my intention was another rocky, like me, to read them and buy some ideas. Not to offer “best Gila fit”.

Some history. I am from Bulgaria and in New Eden there are only few other Bulgarian pilots if not only me, so and I have nobody to talk about EVE. I started with reading guides and watching videos before to start the game. As result I done every single mistake I can. Why – because most, if not every, guide is out of date. I choose caldari way. Why – because missiles (easy and hit always) and because Drake and Tengu – best ships ever, and so on and so on. For 2 month I still standing on caldari way thinking that I do something wrong - it is impossible flaying Drake to be such pain. I had not even heard about Gila. Yes, I know if there are pirate ships. I checked first few on Eve University and decided they are for PvP so not for me yet.

I hear about Gila indirectly while watching Jonny Pew`s video “Haw to fit Worm…..” .I said to myself – “hey, if Worm is so amazing, let check other Gurista`s ships” and I found Gila.
Then I check forums for some fits and I did not found any but some all_in_5. When I figured haw long I have to wait until reach this “all_in_5 perfect fit” I nearly quit from idea to use Gila. Why – because this all around perfect all_in_5 are never real flown. From no one. And they are Evil (with capital E). For me.

Let return to our rams.

Fortunately I have ISK to spend with no idea for and I got familiar with EFT so I bought Gila, fit it consider my current skill and start lvl 3 missioning. After first mission first thing I done was to sell Drake and forgot about him like a scary dream.
Since then I use only Gila for everything. I switched three different fits according my skill progression. Main differences are in low slots so I will afford to post them:

In the beginning drone are week, they need all support I can give them:

[Gila, my gank is my tank]
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
2xPurger I
1xExtender I
Fleet drone mission specific x2

For early lvl 4 – at this time my drone support skills got better than my shield supports so I change fit:
[Gila, fly in save]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II
Internal Force Field Array I
2xPurger II
1xExtender II

My current fit you know.

My goal fit:

[Gila, hi sec exploration Gurista Space]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Core Probe Launcher I
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Drone Durability Enhancer II
Medium Drone Durability Enhancer II
Medium Anty-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

I post again (and last time I hope) with desire to help some novice to try Gila, this amazing ship, before CCP notice how actually it is good (may be the best novice ship) and “rebalance” them.

Fly in save!
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#13 - 2015-04-14 17:30:36 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
elitatwo wrote:

What I also you improve on would be to ditch specific hardeners and go for one adaptive invulnerability field II a drone navigation computer if it fits a drone control link instead of the tractor beam.


Are you sure, that just 140-190passive shield recharge is enough, depending on your opponent in every Level 4 Mission? In some missions yes. But in the harder missions I have some doubts about that, but would as well recommend if you have the tank / security to drop one tank module, then fit a DNC.


Yes I am very sure.

Despite level 4 missions, I also run nullsec anomalies like havens and sanctums with that. It may look like you want shield regeneration but the opposite is true, you want buffer.

Even if you take alot of punishment you just keep moving and when all frigates and cruisers are down, you can start working on battleships.

Those NPC battleships will have a much harder time to hit if you stay in a high orbit around the mission area(s).

It looks lile a good idea to use purger rigs instead of extender rigs but that only works in pulsar-effect wormholes. In a mission like the Blood Raider Blockade level 4 you will be thankful to have a larger buffer and in the bonus room of Angel Extravaganza you even have to reduce the number of the turret structures there but you will not regenerate enough hp for all the incoming damage that will head your way.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-04-14 20:48:48 UTC
GordonO wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Spud Lazair wrote:
I have been using this fit below to run lvl4 missions, it seems hardy enough, but am wondering if there is anything i could alter in order to improve the fit.

[Gila, Gila]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II




/me points at a drake.



gila will out dps a drake

Yes, but you don't have to fit it like it is a drake.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#15 - 2015-04-14 21:48:33 UTC
Also kids, remember that dat sexy Gila dps is far lower than it actually is in practice because of drone travel time and a tendency for mission rats to spawn in separate 'groups' that can be spread out over a far distance.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-04-15 09:22:13 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
elitatwo wrote:

Yes I am very sure.

Despite level 4 missions, I also run nullsec anomalies like havens and sanctums with that. It may look like you want shield regeneration but the opposite is true, you want buffer.

Even if you take alot of punishment you just keep moving and when all frigates and cruisers are down, you can start working on battleships.

Those NPC battleships will have a much harder time to hit if you stay in a high orbit around the mission area(s).

It looks lile a good idea to use purger rigs instead of extender rigs but that only works in pulsar-effect wormholes. In a mission like the Blood Raider Blockade level 4 you will be thankful to have a larger buffer and in the bonus room of Angel Extravaganza you even have to reduce the number of the turret structures there but you will not regenerate enough hp for all the incoming damage that will head your way.


Can you please post your fit, because if I adapt your above proposals to the Fitting, I have:

~total 30k EHP less
-150ehp/s less tank

- little increased killspeed.

Have still some doubts this is worth it, but as you talk about buffer instead of recharge above and even my proposed fitting has has 61k EHP without Damage Control, where yours has 52k against Guristas, which means I have a lot mor EHP in the shield, which finally counts. And I still have more passive recharge. So please show your fitting you are flying with, so that I can compare them directly for me and for anybody else who like.
If I switch one Kin. Hardener to a Drone Navigation Amp. I still have only ~1.1k Shield EHP against Guristas less than "your" DC2 + Invul fitting, but 50 more recharge, a 4th DDA and a Drone Nav. Comp. The only difference is a missing TP compared to your fitting, which should be compensated more or less by the 4th dda.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-04-15 11:57:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
I use

* 4x Rapid Light Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Light Missile)
* 4x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage/Precision Heavy Assault Missile)

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
2x Large Shield Extender II
* Drone Navigation Computer II
* Omnidirectional Tracking Link II (Tracking Speed Script)

3x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

5x Hammerhead II
5x Infiltrator II

or


4x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury/Precision Heavy Missile)

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
2x Large Shield Extender II
* Drone Navigation Computer II
* Omnidirectional Tracking Link II (Tracking Speed Script)

3x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

5x Hammerhead II
5x Infiltrator II



the AB is an essential item on the gila, 600+ m/s mitigates a lot of the incoming damage
i feel HAM's & HML's are more effective than RLML's in L4's
RLML's work best in frigate rich environments .. like L1's and L2's and the occasional L3

large open missions with lots of space between groups makes the DNC more useful than the OTL
it also indirectly increases your effective DPS because of reduced travel times between targets

there is no *perfect fit for all occasions* for any ship
depending on the mission specifics, be prepared to change the fit

this all opinion ofc ... it's okay for you to disagree
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-04-15 14:42:33 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
elitatwo wrote:

What I also you improve on would be to ditch specific hardeners and go for one adaptive invulnerability field II a drone navigation computer if it fits a drone control link instead of the tractor beam.


Are you sure, that just 140-190passive shield recharge is enough, depending on your opponent in every Level 4 Mission? In some missions yes. But in the harder missions I have some doubts about that, but would as well recommend if you have the tank / security to drop one tank module, then fit a DNC.


I have been running lvl 4 missions in my Gila for quite awhile.
I can confirm what he said. your fit is way too overtanked for lvl 4s. Definitely used an AB - speed tanking really helps, it also reduces your sig radius if you replace an LSE. At first I was running AB, 3 hardeners and 2 LSE setup and noticed that I was never in trouble, so I replaced 1 LSE with drone navigation link and it works just fine. The only mission I have to add tank is Angel Extravaganza bonus room - I replace 1 DDA with shield power relay, and drone link with LSE. The turrets in that pocket really hurt.
Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-04-27 17:16:01 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Also kids, remember that dat sexy Gila dps is far lower than it actually is in practice because of drone travel time and a tendency for mission rats to spawn in separate 'groups' that can be spread out over a far distance.


Lands on site,

AB (activated) - check
Active hardners (activated) - check
Destination: Orbit "Battleship" ..km range set @13km ( flying under the guns.. /winks )
Locking targets: Friglets first...
Launches Cal Navy Heavy Missiles, with a range just shy of 60km... Aggro pulling like a boss (entire room)

The Heat is On..... Shocked i pulled all triggers Shocked ...SHIELDS... activate shields. Scotty, we need more power!!!
Launch all drones: Roger that.. Vespa's are GO!!!

Rats spawning... What? , Fire Off z' Cal Heavy Missiles. Rats !!! ... Destroyed.

Mean while the Vespa's pew pew....P rather content, playing tag team on Larger size ships... That big bad Battleship didn't see that coming...

Down time... ? Did you mean "Downton Abbey" timeBlink

Isobel: And you have never strayed again?
Violet: I never risked everything again.
Isobel: That is not quite what I asked.
Violet: That is all the answer you will get.












EVEBoard ...Just over 60million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"

Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#20 - 2015-04-28 03:25:25 UTC
Celise Katelo wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Also kids, remember that dat sexy Gila dps is far lower than it actually is in practice because of drone travel time and a tendency for mission rats to spawn in separate 'groups' that can be spread out over a far distance.


Lands on site,

AB (activated) - check
Active hardners (activated) - check
Destination: Orbit "Battleship" ..km range set @13km ( flying under the guns.. /winks )
Locking targets: Friglets first...
Launches Cal Navy Heavy Missiles, with a range just shy of 60km... Aggro pulling like a boss (entire room)

The Heat is On..... Shocked i pulled all triggers Shocked ...SHIELDS... activate shields. Scotty, we need more power!!!
Launch all drones: Roger that.. Vespa's are GO!!!

Rats spawning... What? , Fire Off z' Cal Heavy Missiles. Rats !!! ... Destroyed.

Mean while the Vespa's pew pew....P rather content, playing tag team on Larger size ships... That big bad Battleship didn't see that coming...

Down time... ? Did you mean "Downton Abbey" timeBlink

Isobel: And you have never strayed again?
Violet: I never risked everything again.
Isobel: That is not quite what I asked.
Violet: That is all the answer you will get.





I have no idea what you're trying to say, but my point still stands. From my level 4 experience mission rats spawn in 'groups' that are spread out from each other and are usually 50+km from the beacon. You burn to a Battleship which puts you in close range of that group, and yes you can aggro the other groups to pull them closer but non-Angel mission battleships have wide orbit ranges so once they aggro they will orbit your ship at 30-50km and by the time you've cleared the frigs and cruisers, they will have starbursted all over the place and your Vespas (your primary dps) will be burning from Battleship to battleship which cuts into your actual dps.

This compared to a gun sentry boat where once you lock a target and shoot, the damage is applied instantly as long as it's in range and sentry/long range turrets usually have enough range to cover an entire room.
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