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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#161 - 2015-05-11 13:06:35 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Combat is still one dimensional within scram range.

And the margins between AB and MWD are the difference between black and white. There is very few moment to moment tactics you can employ when in a fight; fit determines what you can fight, which is rather narrow. A fight ends up in the opposing parties knowing the outcome and one party just waiting 60s to lose a ship.


This is true.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2015-05-11 13:27:45 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
That doesn't really help the argument that they are not OP, as 111,134 ships have been destroyed by Garmurs. Do the math and you find that 7500 is a rather low loss rate compared to the damage it has done.

Not saying I'm against the Garmur, but those stats are not a good comparison to show the ship is not OP
That's because I wasn't arguing that the Garmur isn't OP, I was pointing out that it creates content.

Thus, it's good for the game.

For example, compare the Garmur's zkill stats to another fairly OP ship (if you consider frigate 1v1s): the Sentinel.

Less kills, many more losses, but overall much less used than the Garmur, for whatever reason.


As Leokokim pointed out in the above post, the Garmur is arguably OP but it doesn't break the game.

Why? Because it's used almost exclusively in 'for fun' PVP (solo/small gang) where it's the players that decide whether to fly it / engage it or not (aka 'the meta').

Fleet boats such as the Ishtar are another matter, because they're often flown not just 'for the lulz' but to secure in-game objectives (such as SOV battles). In this case, having an OP ship is not so good simply because everyone will want to use it (to secure their objective) over other alternatives, thus making the game a bit dull.

I frankly don't see everyone flying Garmurs...


Yeah, I have no problem with Garmurs. Was just pointing out, and as Crosi explained, that stats really don't help with the balance argument.

My personal solution to Garmurs, don't engage them.



And get garmur pilots upset enough to call you a dirty farmer cause you never engage? And thus they come onto the forums to spread tears about FW farming because people always run from them?

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices