Warfare & Tactics

The thing is EVE isn't a solo game.

Wouldnt running a defensive scram be more cowardly? Dual sebo is an offensive set up for acquiring tackle at 12kms and increasing chances of tackling pods. And you are correct i do wh0re on all my solo* kills.

*not to be mistaken for trusoloTM

You are misreading the statistics, its the nature of how killboards work. Its very much like my killboard says ive killed 13k and only lost 700, in and of itself, that isnt a useful number or illustrative of my combat record. it might be an indication that i always fly in a blob or that i only kill ibis in rookie systems.

For example, the garmur has a 93% k/d efficiency and an 84% isk efficiency. If we compare that to something in its class the dramiel has a 90% k/d efficiency and a 90% isk efficiency. Not so far apart. On top of that, the Absolution has a 96% k/d efficiency and a 93% isk efficiency. Now the abso is a powerful ship, but these numbers are move indicative of how its used rather than its individual prowess.

The problem with these numbers is they are almost meaningless and apply in NO WAY to any discussion of balance. since it doesnt adjust for number of people on killmails and a few other things.

I already disclaimed the word 'solo', as for 200 dps at 12kms, are you high? Dont answer that, your prescribed medication is your business.

That's because I wasn't arguing that the Garmur isn't OP, I was pointing out that it creates content.

Thus, it's good for the game.

For example, compare the Garmur's zkill stats to another fairly OP ship (if you consider frigate 1v1s): the Sentinel.

Less kills, many more losses, but overall much less used than the Garmur, for whatever reason.


As Leokokim pointed out in the above post, the Garmur is arguably OP but it doesn't break the game.

Why? Because it's used almost exclusively in 'for fun' PVP (solo/small gang) where it's the players that decide whether to fly it / engage it or not (aka 'the meta').

Fleet boats such as the Ishtar are another matter, because they're often flown not just 'for the lulz' but to secure in-game objectives (such as SOV battles). In this case, having an OP ship is not so good simply because everyone will want to use it (to secure their objective) over other alternatives, thus making the game a bit dull.

I frankly don't see everyone flying Garmurs...

It's the reason people who like to PvP fly other stuff... at least some of the time. If you fly Op ships all of the time then you have a problem "engineering" a situation where you get a fight as others do "engineering" a situation to catch you. Most people wont come near a Worm or Garmur already at a plex.

However, Garmur's are unsual as they have a high (prob)ability to "catch" an unwilling opponent, better than any other ship (along with Keres (and also a bit the Lachesis since the changes)) due to their high mobility and speed and long point.

The Skirmish Links accentuate this ability to "catch" an opponent on your terms. Perhaps it's just that particular mod that extends point and web range that should be changed?

Most of the time though you can choose not to get caught in a situation that favours the Garmur pilot or burn back to the gate and jump out.

Nerfing things hard doesnt mean you have more hard counters, it means you have less things to fight. Just wanted to say that.

Ill only fly some other ship then you will have to rage about how that needs nerfing lol.

Benefits of a perfect cross-train :)

Also, its hard to address the dessies since it is yet to be seen where they will land after their current nerf.

yet you raged about how lame the maulus was when i flew it ;)

AFAIK, im 27th of all pilots of all time on BC, which is not as good as some gal mil pilots that have been afk for over a year. Im actually really bad at eve, no doubt.

I have no idea about that, but while you were calling me lame for only flying a maulus you were using my maulus fit :)