Warfare & Tactics

If there's an argument in there somewhere, I'm not finding it convincing.

now if you use links too it is not problem to tank 200dps for a long time, also using example ship with web range bonus with faction webs and using link boost and heat you sure can web them. Eve is about choices and more choices is always better than only one.

No the garmur is op precisely because a super nerd like crosi can use a 3 bil pod and an off grid booster

Eve has an incredibly low skillcap. Any mongo can use a snaked/linked garmur and hit orbit.

Even his garmur fits just screams scared nerd.

He makes a valid point, because of edge cases like the amount of isk a handful of people put into pvp, the entire game should be rebalanced.

The only thing i can recall about wilgotna is he was just as bitter at me when i flew only maulus for a year lol.

Lots of people, in and out of game, lack the introspection to apply the same standards to people they dislike (for whatever reason) as they do to those they like, or particularly themselves. We have an acute case here.

Its a fair point, assuming that 'easy mode' qualifies as 'bad mouthing' rather than just a statement of fact. Also, this is a question of game design rather than just a bunch of high SP chars grouping together for easy ganks.

Challenge can only be measured against the task. When you have an 80 man t3/guard fleet all with lg/hg slaves, with caps and supers on standby to fight 40 t1 bs and another 40 cruisers and 20 frigates who only fly together on that scale once or less per week (and 1/3 are fail-fit), that really is a good shot at easy mode. Specially when you guys only undock when you have eyes on the target and often have a 30 man squid fleet ready to help you lol.

Im not complaining, im just saying its easy mode. Ive been there. Im shocked how hard snufd have made it look in recent weeks though.

If you wanted to draw any parallel from what im talking about, i fight any number of people. It would be like snufds 80 man fleet fighting anywhere from 160 to 1000s of people since i often look for kills while massively outnumbered in the garmur. Though, in a lot of occasions between being outnumbered im open to and accept that it is easy mode.

Math is hard.

No doubt in your tz they are a bit weaker, snufd actually push suj local to 100 in theirs if they ping and people actually log on.



Its probably not very humanitarian to respond to wil at this point as its clear something deeper is at play,

Those two derptrons have about 4k ehp each, one if not both will be dead by the time they get close enough to think they had a chance. Lest we mention the defensive scram for the survivor.

You are correct though, Crosi is one of the best pilots around, I'm not a fan of links but at least he uses them 'right,' taking on odds where any other setup would die.

This doesn't have to be so personal. Individuals aside, the Garmur has probably the least number of counters out there. Most other frigates with boosts, Incursus/other brawlers, or LML frigate/slicer, still have plenty of hard counters out there, even if the opponent doesn't have his own boosts. Cookie Cutter Slasher fits will trash a linked brawler, and even with boosts the traditional kiting ships out there have their weaknesses from weapons range to overall speed. I could slap a RF long point and boosts on a Slicer, but I'd have to lose my pulse lasers, I could do the same to a condor but I'm still limited to my missile range (42km), which is putting you at least within the margin of error of being ****** with by someone competent.

With the Garmur, you could fit a specific hard counter, with the same boosts/implants, and still only have a 1/2 chance of making it out alive let alone killing the Garmur. The entire t1 frigate line is no good, all are significantly slower and lack the EHP to survive chasing down a Garmur and getting scram, the defensive scram again, a serious final hurdle.

Other faction/pirate frigates and EAFs, I'd give it a shot in a structure tanked blaster Comet. I'm still slower by 2k m/s and again if the Garmur has a defensive scram, chances are not great. Now a Dram gets close, still slower all else being equal and again, the defensive scram is rough. You could fit an overdrive and drop a gyrostab, leaving you with the same dps as a Garmur, but with the Garmur having 70km of lead time to shoot you in the face, your small AAR only runs 40 seconds without a cap booster as well. You could medium shield extend it but you only get 2.8k more ehp than the Garmur just running a DCU, bout 25 seconds worth of Garmur shooting you in the face. Again, presuming the Garmur is running away that 25 seconds won't cover the time it takes you to catch him, which is never because again, you're still slower.

Apparently Hyena and Sentinel were bandied about but I'm going to assume those were troll suggestions. A hyena could web out to 68km, might take him a while to kill you with his 25 dps though. Sentinel, 30km neuts versus a ship almost twice as quick as you orbiting at 60km...

Just seems too dominant to me, bonuses in point/weapon range and inherent strong stats that scale amazingly well with boosts, OP is built into the ships DNA. Hands down best in class by a massive margin.

Problem with this analysis, is you take all the attributes possible for a garmur and assume every garmur has them all. A tank, long lock range, extreme damage projection, extreme speed, good dps, expensive mods, long and short point etc. While the garmur is extremely good its nessasary to pick which attributes you get since you cant have them all. One little note, the dram is faster than the garmur.

In the end i dont disagree that the garmur has few counters on a 1v1 level when you scale up the isk and support. Though boosted, snaked dual tackle garmurs are quite rare in my experience. Have killed a couple wth 2/3 derptrons tho, boosts wouldnt have mattered since the derp can do 10kms OH if you come correct, and element of shock is worth more than 1000 defensive scrams.

I also dont disagree with the idea of removing a mid slot to force people to chose their engagement envelope but when he suggested it wil had already mentioned my man meat twice so i thought he was more interested in that.

Speaking of which, unfortunate relapse there wil :( dont give up man. You will be a lot happier when you start giving your own genitals at least as much attention as mine.

Crosi's garmur is easy to beat, just join GalMil, haven't lost to him once