Warfare & Tactics

The margin for error that mordus ships and 10mn ab T3 dessies is the cancer. Couple that with links (which usually I have no issue with) and what you get is a quickly stagnating meta where ewar and logi balls become king even in small gangs.

I mention this because kiting without these ships actually requires skill when fighting someone that is also skilled at the game. More so when you engage a larger gang/fleet. The problem is that those that are skilled and want to be the hunter rather than the hunted gravitate to kiting simply because you can pick your fights. That simple really.

Sort out the crazy high end point ranges and 10mn ab t3 dessies and we'll go back to a world where kiting isn't something my cat can do if I shine a laser pointer at my keyboard.

Sure, people will still moan at kiters as risk averse bastards but that doesn't mean it's not balanced. It's just that kiters fly smart.

That is all.

Combat is still one dimensional within scram range.

And the margins between AB and MWD are the difference between black and white. There is very few moment to moment tactics you can employ when in a fight; fit determines what you can fight, which is rather narrow. A fight ends up in the opposing parties knowing the outcome and one party just waiting 60s to lose a ship.

The only reason people even buy obviously OP ships is because there's no shortage of idiots willing to chase after them in obviously slower ships.

It's a bit of a straw man to blame ez-mode kiting on Garmurs because there's really nothing stopping anyone from getting kills the same way in a cheap attack frig with speed mods and long-range guns.

That's odd, I see no t3 kills on your killboard.

Nor in fact more than 20 lifetime kills.

Perhaps you accidentally posted with an alt?

There are no shortage to garmur counters.

Sentinel, reduces margin for error to minimal levels.
Cruor, reduces margin for error.
Hyena, reduces margin for error.
Dramiel, faster, tankier and more dps. Though weak vs defensive scram.
Multiple sniper corms or area denial coercers.
Element of surprise with an OH, dual overdrive derptron gets a lot of people garmur kills.

The one property that a boosted rep fleet point garmur has in common with all of these is its 2-200x more expensive.

There is no denying that kiting was a lot more challenging for me when i flew the maulus more, its incorrect to say there is no paper for the garmurs stone. Shiny killmails in space waiting to happen is a good thing.

Thanks for the input Crosi, while I'd say you have listed some fantastic counters to all kiters certainly in plexes I'd also say that perhaps I have not made my point clearly.

Why would I fly any of them when I could fly a garmur? In a garmur I can now engage a massive range of ships, or just leave. The ships you just listed are much more limited. I also don't want this to degenerate into solely an anti garmur post. I am very specifically gathering it, the orthrus and the t3 dessies into one pile. It's just too easy to get kills and run from people you don't like.

IIRC Crosi, you fly your Garmurs linked and HG snaked, those things have no counters assuming an equal level of pilot skill. The stuff you listed has a chance of killing Garmurs IF they mess up, and that's not really an argument since X can always kill Y if Y messes bad enough up regardless of the ship.

8km/s cold Garmurs are basically immune to almost everything that can hit it. I remember trying to kill a Garmur in an LML Talwar only to find my missiles would peter out before they hit the Garmur and even then, if I did manage to hit him he could just pull range and warp out since he'd be fighting at 60km where nothing bar another Garmur/Orthrus could point him. Drones don't hit, rail corms you can just pull range and leave, faster MWD ships don't have a hope of catching you with 20km defensive scram, sentinel only neuts to 30km and is far slower, Hyena only webs to 40 and even if you get webbed, you can just warp out before he gets the point on etc etc

Garmurs are broken mostly because of how powerful offgrid links are but even then, the ship design allows you to scale ridiculously well with links that it's just stupid.

If they're so strong, why don't you fly them?

https://zkillboard.com/kill/45506849/

0/10, try harder next time.

So is yours.

You admit to not even have flown T3 Destroyers, yet you seem to have an opinion on them