Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Now, explain why this is good for anyone. That it only harms people who are playing for a marathon session is insufficient reason to implement a feature if there is no clear cut upside anywhere.

It only harms no-lifers, but some of the best times I've had in eve have come from marathon fleets, in one case 53 hours of near continuous play. This was a special case (long weekend, girlfriends out of town, a couple other eve players co-located in meatspace) but it was still one of the best times I have had in eve.

My funniest loss was from a 2am 'last trip' to losec...early in my time here I had minimal decent modules so used to unfit/refit different haulers for hisec and losec. One night I hopped into my nereus, leapt through to Old Man Star only to find myself pinned and being gunned down...I was so bemused as to why I couldn't see the usual multi-wcs mods on the HUD that I entirely forgot to align and got podded too! I had of course forgotten to refit the nereus in my bleary eyed bad decision making state and hadn't even noticed the complete lack of anything until it was too late...

I remember some games used to have warnings for players after they played for certain extended times. Sometimes with health warnings.

Edit: that said, I do enjoy marathon gaming as well, 64ish hrs barring downtimes and bathroom breaks, good times

Heh...I know those times. Wife and kid out of town for several days...several days of (nearly) uninterrupted Eve time.

Still, the one's I see this getting at the most would be botters...but I have to wonder how many. A player who logs in that many hours has likely already drawn the attention of team security.

Completely agree.

And +1 for using the word Bayesian.

Good luck making isk on manufacturing stuff without the appropriate skills to back up what you are trying to produce. Also good luck making 100 mil isk per hour in incursions if the entire fleet is made up of 1 month old chars.

Also, another funny thing you said...



There are NPC market orders that make up price ceilings in the game. When a player interacts with an NPC it is PVE. If someone exchanges a currency for a hard asset or vice versa, then it is trading. Therefore trading can be PVE.

Time for a change then!

heres an idea to make endlessly grinding pvp harder without arbitrary ****, just give the NPC factions their own patrolling fleets/raids like the drfiters, thats what you rat, and missions involve you finding a fleet within a particular system.

and then for nullsec you have pirate/empire fleets responding to you based on your recent activity. shot at some sansha rats? sansha fleets roaming your space now.

and maybe of course give the NPCs their own miners and pseudo-player "accounts" to balance out their productive and unit-spam abilities to be on par with just a really dedicated player group, and you have artifically created a new faction fighting in high/low/null without having to cry about whos fault this blue doughnut or that stagnant space is


basically, make PvE take time, but pay out more, so overall it makes relatively the same as now, but the payout comes in larger more spread out chunks. basically no more AFK-running missions.

Enhancing PvE won't change the problem that those who grind 10 hours of "enhanced" PvE on 10 accounts get 100x more ISK than those who spend 1 hour on 1 account.

CCP wants you to do 2 things:
- pay them subscription money
- provide content for other players

A grinder drives out casual, subscribing PvE players and provide content to nobody as he is running an optimized farm that doesn't worth ganking and does no PvP.

They are two separate issues. Note the word issues because I'm still waiting on the problem with having a small subset of players who can grind for 10 hours a day day-in-day-out.

As I noted, if such players drive up the price of PLEX that means the "lifer" can then use the fact he has a "life" and buy a PLEX and sell it to a "no lifer" and get a nice amount of isk.

Further, if there IS a problem, and I think you need to come up with more than, "He has lots of isk". There are two problems with this. First, it isn't clear how much of an advantage having lots of isk conveys. Second, lots of players have vast ISK holdings. If having a super fat wallet is the problem, then that suggests one possible solution is income redistribution.

Additionally, if the problem is the improved efficiency in accumulating wealth and resources due to things like ISBoxer, then an alternate and more elegant solution is to simply ban things like ISBoxer outright.

As for the claim that ISBoxer drives out casual players, on what are you basing this? As for ganking an ISBoxer...trust me there are pilots in this game that will gank just about anything. So you need more than statements.