EVE General Discussion

I wanted to get peoples take on the old learning skills that were around when eve first started during the exodus times. skills that increased the speed of training and skills that added attribute points. They certainly helped new players with learning skills quicker and in the long run it could shave days off of the final training time. Should those be put back in the game?
arguments for? against? just trying to start a discussion.

instead of learning skills these days we just have more attribute points. also we now have the ability to remap to focus on a skill group for a long period.

tbh I don't care too much either way, as I pretty much have more SP than I know what to do with, but for the most part I think the answer of "hell naw" is applicable.

Learning skills had the effect that some people actually maximized them first before they started to do some actuall skill training. Which means you had to wait for three months or so before you could actually start with useful skills.

And even if you did not maximize this skills, you had to sink some time into them for optimal training.

Actually the points from the skills are now permanent on every char, newbros included, so the new players where the big winners of this change.

I am glad they are gone, which actually allowed me to create this char without much of a headache.

tl;dr
No!

Leaning skills allowed for what I call the Ant vs Grasshopper effect.. I for one in my younger pilot days knew that investing time in to learning skills would pay off later down the road. While my CEO at the time shunned them for more instant gratification base skills. And you know because of that I nearly caught up to him in skills points before learning skills were removed.

I personally liked that aspect of learning skills.

Take that as you may. *shrugs*

The learning skills removal was probably the best update since I started playing. I spent 5 or 6 weeks at the very beginning training the first tier skills up to 5 and the second tier to 4. No newbie should have to do that. Now CCP needs to remove attributes from the entire game.

Grasshopers complained about ants, so CCP made everyone a dung beetles.

Yes. They should also add an undocking skill, a turn left skill, a turn right skill, a skill that allows you to loot wrecks, a skill that increases the number of entries on your overview starting from a total of 1, and a skill to resize the client window.

I never once thought to myself that learning skills were bad as everyone made it out to be. Despite popular opinion, they were fair. If you chose to forego the training skills, such as your CEO, you would fall behind in SP. This created more diversity in general because it was up to the individual to decide where their account time should be focused into. Fact of the matter is, the change didn't make things fair. It made things better for those who chose not to train them for maximum efficiency. Such as your CEO. People like you, were worse off, comparatively, when these changes went into effect. Me personally, I didn't start training for said skills until I was a year old and I was able to do things other than fly a reaper. At the end of the day, those whining about it, from my perspective, were losers who couldn't be assed to make a sacrifice.

People love to say things like "Takes three months before I play the game", but the reality of the situation was completely untrue. They could have easily did what I did and still have fun and be successful without the learning skills. Instead, people thought it was unfair for whatever arbitrary reasons they may have had. It was their choice to spend all their scarce account time to train learning skills and then log off. They could have done alternative things, but they didn't. Instead of letting it fix itself, CCP caved to popular forum opinion. just as they did to titan nerfs and many other things. Everything the loud minority complained about, was usually another individual/group of people's hard work. To achieve, what people considered fair, was at the expense of others. No one ever really talks about that though. No one talks about how so and so made good choices that helped him get ahead in Eve.

But this shouldn't be too surprising in a video game. This sort of drivel goes on in the real world where real human lives suffer unnecessarily because of laws or rules passed to make things fair for one group of people at the expense of others instead of letting the free market do its thing. Nationality, race, religion, or any other label isn't excluded. Humans are all alike in this regard. It's why title, prestige, other social functions that put others on a pedestal have no meaning to me. Once one understand the true psychology of humans and how economics work, it's very easy to see where things are going to head before it happens despite popular opinion or criticisms. By all rights, you should have pulled ahead of your CEO and been a good example in using your scarce account time as an investment for yourself.

While yes, by design, it does seem pointless, that is something that should have been thought of before such a feature was ever implemented. But by removing them at a later date, you essentially punish those that had invested into it. Refunding skill points for said skills is worthless in the long run because every individual that had trained for the skills would have gotten a much larger return for their investment in the first place.

Anyway, I believe they shouldn't bring them back as it's too late and everybody as already adjusted to it. People need to learn to calm and control themselves and realize that things are not as bad as they think. I believe the direction Eve is heading into is far more dangerous for both CCP and the player base. I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but I started playing eve because of how "harsh" it could be. Overtime, through various changes imposed by CCP, I have lost a lot of love for this game. I still have quite a bit though because there have been changes that I consider good. But If I had to quantify it, I'd say I'm in the negative.

Regardless, a tl;dr: No, but not for the mundane reasons the majority of people have.

NO WAY

What are you smoking, f*ck no!