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This thing called "anti-ganking"

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DerpimusPrime Aihaken
Free Tank Test
#21 - 2015-04-08 17:11:14 UTC  |  Edited by: DerpimusPrime Aihaken
Ned Thomas wrote:
Wait, wait, wait.....all it takes to be an anti-ganker now is to ***** in on CONCORD-mails?

What's after that....be in system when CONCORD spawns?


Im yet to see anybody actually trying to help my target instead of having me locked, waiting to press f1 for km.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-04-08 17:11:51 UTC
How is somebody called who kills the gankers' haulers for loot?

I'm my own NPC alt.

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#23 - 2015-04-08 17:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Agondray
Garnoo wrote:
any kills on kb make your e-peen bigger
at some point you can call yourself pro, elite and experienced pvper etc :P


oh you mean like gankers do? who knew? lol

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Im yet to see anybody actually trying to help my target instead of having me locked, waiting to press f1 for km


that's only because I don't know who you are yet or seen you.....ofcourse I know who you are now.Twisted

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DerpimusPrime Aihaken
Free Tank Test
#24 - 2015-04-08 17:12:59 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
How is somebody called who kills the gankers' haulers for loot?


They never get my looter, they just get me who shoots.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#25 - 2015-04-08 17:18:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
At least they are doing something involving interacting with other players, rather than just leveling up their Raven.

BTW, actually trying to stop the gank is sometimes referred to as "White Knighting". I've wondered if the game would benefit from changes that make White knighting a practical profession. Right now, gankers laugh at White knights.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#26 - 2015-04-08 17:31:52 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
... Right now, gankers laugh at White knights.
When did a ganker's opinion start to matter? P

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-04-08 17:37:16 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
At least they are doing something involving interacting with other players, rather than just leveling up their Raven.

BTW, actually trying to stop the gank is sometimes referred to as "White Knighting". I've wondered if the game would benefit from changes that make White knighting a practical profession. Right now, gankers laugh at White knights.


I think White Knighting is perfectly possible, it's just that there isn't enough actual interest in the past time coupled the ones who are interested in it going about it the wrong way. There was a thread in C&P a while back encouraging people to just bring logistics ships to prevent ganks because CONCORD would already provide enough DPS and e-war to choke an elephant.

The problem then becomes getting the logi ships into the right place at the right time. I don't know how the game could change in order to better facilitate that without throwing other things horribly off balance.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#28 - 2015-04-08 17:38:41 UTC
DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:
Im yet to see anybody actually trying to help my target instead of having me locked, waiting to press f1 for km.


What you are experiencing is known as 'The Carebear Stare'.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#29 - 2015-04-08 17:43:25 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
... Right now, gankers laugh at White knights.
When did a ganker's opinion start to matter? P

Its not that their opinion matters, it's that it is, in fact, a valid statement of the validity of the activity. But you do not have to believe me. Go out and try White knighting and see for yourself. I love to hear if you find ways to be successful at it.

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#30 - 2015-04-08 17:49:55 UTC
Something something sandbox zzzzzzzzzz.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#31 - 2015-04-08 17:57:46 UTC
dude, I totally damaged your ship and made you die faster.

so what's your problem, dude ?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#32 - 2015-04-08 18:03:48 UTC
You guys might laugh at anti-gankers, but considering gankers tend to send more isk at a target, alter their fits to resist ECM, and several high profile gankers have recently thrown in the towel with at least one citing anti-gankers as a primary reason, they must be doing something right.

And at the end of the day, threads like these show that anti-gankers are having an effect. When they did nothing, nobody really mentioned them. Now they are actually achieving results, these threads are popping up in an effort to shame them.

Good job AGs, keep it up.

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Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2015-04-08 18:10:17 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
You guys might laugh at anti-gankers, but considering gankers tend to send more isk at a target, alter their fits to resist ECM, and several high profile gankers have recently thrown in the towel with at least one citing anti-gankers as a primary reason, they must be doing something right.

And at the end of the day, threads like these show that anti-gankers are having an effect. When they did nothing, nobody really mentioned them. Now they are actually achieving results, these threads are popping up in an effort to shame them.

Good job AGs, keep it up.


what are these "results" you speak of...
DerpimusPrime Aihaken
Free Tank Test
#34 - 2015-04-08 18:10:54 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
You guys might laugh at anti-gankers, but considering gankers tend to send more isk at a target, alter their fits to resist ECM, and several high profile gankers have recently thrown in the towel with at least one citing anti-gankers as a primary reason, they must be doing something right.

And at the end of the day, threads like these show that anti-gankers are having an effect. When they did nothing, nobody really mentioned them. Now they are actually achieving results, these threads are popping up in an effort to shame them.

Good job AGs, keep it up.


Just curious about what they gain from it. But l would not say that getting a km with a ganker is much of a result.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#35 - 2015-04-08 18:17:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:
Just curious about what they gain from it. But l would not say that getting a km with a ganker is much of a result.
As said before, a player on your kill mail.
Vincent Athena wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
... Right now, gankers laugh at White knights.
When did a ganker's opinion start to matter? P
Its not that their opinion matters, it's that it is, in fact, a valid statement of the validity of the activity. But you do not have to believe me. Go out and try White knighting and see for yourself. I love to hear if you find ways to be successful at it.
Haven't need it yet. Scouting or webbing seems to be sufficient. I would imagine being in the same corp helps?
I have talked about White Knights and a corp board for them that works on reputation points.
Maybe there could be some sort of contract that allows them to fight or repair the one they are escorting without the draw backs?

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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-04-08 18:17:26 UTC
DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:
So im a ganker that love to blap AutoPiloters and noobs hauling their *beep*.

But i've noticed more and more people coming to collect a km but yet calling it anti-ganking.

What im trying to figure out is why they call themselves anti-gankers when they dont save the target im going for, but only collecting km's filled with gateguns.
So what im asking is, what is the point of that?


Looking over a few days worth of your killboard, it appears that you're mostly flying a Thrasher and your primary targets are frigates in a 0.5 security system. I assume you often take out your targets in a single volley - in which case, yeah, there's absolutely nothing a white-knight can do to save your target, beyond suicide-ganking you which I assume they're not interested in doing.

But I doubt they know right away what you're shooting when you go red. If it turns out that your target needs two volleys from you to be taken out, and they can in turn volley you before the second, then they can save the target.

In fact, far as I can tell from your killboard, that might actually be happening at times? I see some instances where you die to sentry guns and a player, yet there's no associated kill from you - so I assume you initiated a gank but failed?

Oh, and I also see what appears to be you whoring on kills - for example, a recent Tornado - that's taken out by sentry guns, so it's not just the white-knights doing it, and maybe they're doing that for the same reasons you do. Big smile
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#37 - 2015-04-08 18:18:06 UTC
DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
You guys might laugh at anti-gankers, but considering gankers tend to send more isk at a target, alter their fits to resist ECM, and several high profile gankers have recently thrown in the towel with at least one citing anti-gankers as a primary reason, they must be doing something right.

And at the end of the day, threads like these show that anti-gankers are having an effect. When they did nothing, nobody really mentioned them. Now they are actually achieving results, these threads are popping up in an effort to shame them.

Good job AGs, keep it up.


Just curious about what they gain from it. But l would not say that getting a km with a ganker is much of a result.

If they are actually causing the gankers to change their behavior, or stop altogether, then they are getting a huge result.

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Solitude Trading
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#38 - 2015-04-08 18:20:49 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
You guys might laugh at anti-gankers, but considering gankers tend to send more isk at a target, alter their fits to resist ECM, and several high profile gankers have recently thrown in the towel with at least one citing anti-gankers as a primary reason, they must be doing something right.

And at the end of the day, threads like these show that anti-gankers are having an effect. When they did nothing, nobody really mentioned them. Now they are actually achieving results, these threads are popping up in an effort to shame them.

Good job AGs, keep it up.
what are these "results" you speak of...
You mean other than what's literally written in what you quoted?

Gnakers now use more ECCM and throw more ISK at a target to get around the loss of DPS to AGs. Gankers like Globby publicly announcing their retirement from ganking citing anti-gankers as a heavily contributing factor. The goal of AGs is to make ganking more difficult, to add effort to easy ganking, and with that they succeed.

DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:
Just curious about what they gain from it. But l would not say that getting a km with a ganker is much of a result.
Entertainment I suspect. This is a game after all. Players set themselves goals and accomplish them for the entertainment of playing and the feeling of accomplishment.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#39 - 2015-04-08 18:21:00 UTC
This hapless forum creature does not taste as good with the saliva of all you others slathered all over him! Ugh

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#40 - 2015-04-08 19:10:35 UTC
Just screenshot their tears and send them to James 315. We all love some salty ag tears about how helpless they are and how it is all CCPs fault and not their lack of skill at this wonderful game.