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Mission Loot Problems and Solutions

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Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-04-08 14:36:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Veine Miromme
I'm doing a lot of Missions in Battleships (up to level 4 Missions) while learning how to pilot a Black Ops ship.
However, since my Battleship uses Cap Boosters which take most of the cargo hold space, I miss loot.
I also carry a Mobile Tractor Unit which still takes more cargo space and takes 2 (two) trips or more to handle.

So, I will try to get a Viator to haul my loot and I hope it will be faster.
However, I'm aware that it will cause more lag until I get a second internet connection and computer to fully multi-box.

Any other ideas of suggestions?



Additionally, how do the 25m Empire Faction Encounter Surveillance System work?

I read it can be deployed in any system outside empire jurisdiction, but what does that mean?
Does it mean that it is outside of the Empire Faction's jurisdiction, like outside of Caldari space or does it mean something else?

Ship Type : Out of pod (for now)

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#2 - 2015-04-08 14:52:41 UTC
Cap boosters will cut your profit , IMHO. What ship do you use?
I mission in Dominix.
Jump into pocket.
bookmark and drop mobile tractor unit (MTU).
LMJD jump 100 km away from MTU.
Clear pocket with sentry drones.
Jump back and take best loot from MTU. If it is mission against faction and most ISK is in tags, I leave MTU to loot everything, and jump to next pocket, where I drop second MTU. After mission complete I come back in Magnate frigate and gather MTU together with loot.
Dominix is able to shoot 150 km away with warden II still in their optimal (so - over 500 DPS) You hardly need to tank so much at that distance, boosters are not needed. 100-105 km can be used with curators and radio crystals - over 800 DPS. Maximum is about 1000 DPS with Garde II and imperial navy gamma (40-60 km)
Dextrome Thorphan
#3 - 2015-04-08 14:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Dextrome Thorphan
Veine Miromme wrote:
So, I will try to get a Viator to haul my loot and I hope it will be faster.
However, I'm aware that it will cause more lag until I get a second internet connection and computer to fully multi-box.


Getting lag from running 2 clients is very unlikely, unless your internet provider really sucks P

Encountering a lack of free CPU or RAM is more likely. I can however run 4 clients on my PC without a problem. (and I only have 6GB RAM)
Dextrome Thorphan
#4 - 2015-04-08 14:57:13 UTC
Veine Miromme wrote:
Any other ideas of suggestions?

Loot is usually just not worth the effort when running missions. Best to just blitz them as much as possible. LP store is where your ISK will be coming from mainly.
Dosi Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-04-08 15:09:38 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Cap boosters will cut your profit , IMHO. What ship do you use?
I mission in Dominix.
Jump into pocket.
bookmark and drop mobile tractor unit (MTU).
LMJD jump 100 km away from MTU.
Clear pocket with sentry drones.
Jump back and take best loot from MTU. If it is mission against faction and most ISK is in tags, I leave MTU to loot everything, and jump to next pocket, where I drop second MTU. After mission complete I come back in Magnate frigate and gather MTU together with loot.
Dominix is able to shoot 150 km away with warden II still in their optimal (so - over 500 DPS) You hardly need to tank so much at that distance, boosters are not needed. 100-105 km can be used with curators and radio crystals - over 800 DPS. Maximum is about 1000 DPS with Garde II and imperial navy gamma (40-60 km)


Domi Drone-Boat Tank

I never tried a second MTU yet, though I used to Mission with 3 ships, 1 Stealth Bomber and one other Frigate for speed or Battlecruiser.

Does the Magnate Frigate has enough cargo space or do you use Expanded Cargohold modules ?

My range is around 100 km at this time with my sentries.

The reason I have cap boosters is to power my Armor Shield and yes I do need it.
I lost over 3b ISK worth of BS already, it's not worth the try for me.

You may check my Market Discussion threads as to why it is not specifically applicable to me.
Either way, I make way too much to be able to afford to lose a BS with not enough tank.

My sentries are Curators, I rarely use the Wardens...
I don't know what are radio Crystals, can you link them?

My DPS is only about 550 and it works for me.
My Stealth Bomber used to add an extra 550 but I raised the DPS on it to over 650.
Mind you, it has no tank, and must remain escorted while the agro is drawn on the BS (hence the cap boosters).
Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#6 - 2015-04-08 17:32:11 UTC
Umm what is with your drones? And your tank? And your guns? And actually just what the hell is up with your fit in general? You're mixing guns, your mixing drones, and you have absolutely nothing that is t2... You really should at least have a t2 tank before running lvl 4 missions. And you should be well on your way to t2 sentries. How did you even get three bil to lose in the first place?
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#7 - 2015-04-08 17:39:34 UTC
You really need to learn how to fit a ship properly first, im amazed that domi is alive.

dont mix your guns, get a proper tank, use full sets of drones.

Seriously, you advertise your wanting to fly a blackops and fly that, your gonna get it blown up very quickly.

Your issue isnt looting, its your fitting knowledge, the folks here can help you with that, learn from it.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#8 - 2015-04-08 18:02:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
With "gamma" and "radio" erg cz is talking about laser crystals. Dominixes have unbonused turret slots, so you don't have to fit hybrids to them. He's fitting lasers.

If it takes three capacitor boosters to keep your lights on, though, you might want to forego the lasers and work on fitting skills. I've never seen more than two, and those ships were running far more cap-intensive fits than you are.

How far have you trained your skills in Capacitor Management, Capacitor Systems Operation, Controlled Bursts? CPU Management? Power Grid Management? Those should be 4 at the very least, except the x1 skills, which should be 5.

After that, I can only second the advice about using a consistent rack of guns (350s if you're running into fitting issues), a consistent set of drones (Curator Is are fine) and a T2 armor tank. Also, unless you're fighting Angel Cartel or mercenaries, that Explosive hardener is probably not doing you any good. Assuming that most of your enemies are Serpentis, they shoot hybrid weapons like you do, so they also do thermal and kinetic damage. One of each hardener will make a significant difference even at T1, but the T2 versions are drastically better. Ditto the T2 armor repairers, though again you'll want to improve your capacitor skills before fitting one of those.

nb: Cap stability is a trap. Don't fit for it. You only need enough cap to get through the mission, and learning to manage it instead of turning everything on immediately and leaving it on will take your fitting and flying skills to the next level.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#9 - 2015-04-08 18:06:43 UTC
Plus one for using a laser Domi lol
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-04-08 20:00:55 UTC
Plz explain what you need a black ops for
Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-04-08 21:06:24 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
...Veine Miromme
So, I will try to get a Viator to haul my loot and I hope it will be faster.
However, I'm aware that it will cause more lag until I get a second internet connection and computer to fully multibox.


1.
Getting lag from running 2 clients is very unlikely, unless your internet provider really sucks P

2.
Encountering a lack of free CPU or RAM is more likely. I can however run 4 clients on my PC without a problem. (and I only have 6GB RAM)

3.
Loot is usually just not worth the effort when running missions. Best to just blitz them as much as possible. LP store is where your ISK will be coming from mainly.
1.
It's not so much lag as the client literally stalling for a few seconds at a time.
It further makes it impossible to respond even if attacked and while attacked.

2.
That is probably and most likely what does happen technically. It cause similar effects to lag.
I doubt the CPU or RAM is lacking however, I believe it is probably other factors causing this.
I used to run 4 to 5 clients in multi-clients without a second box.
It started to slow then, and it only slowed more and more so far.
The PC I used never had 6 GB RAM, at least I don't think so, I can verify today or in a few minutes.

3.
Sometimes that it possible that the loot is not worth it in mission. However, I do mission level 4 and 3 and there are usually at least a million ISK in loot + wrecks per mission if not more. (I also salvage).

I guess I should just get a Noctis with a Cargo hold Capacity of 1460 m3.

Also,
sorry for answering erg cz of Tribal Core
with
Dosi Kusoni as it is also my Alt.
I didn't notice when I posted it or there was some other problems caused , hence the problem solving again...


Sheeth Athonille wrote:
Umm what is with your drones? And your tank? And your guns? And actually just what the hell is up with your fit in general? You're mixing guns, your mixing drones, and you have absolutely nothing that is t2... You really should at least have a t2 tank before running lvl 4 missions. And you should be well on your way to t2 sentries. How did you even get three bil to lose in the first place?
I've been asked this before and there are many thing this fit does which is not so obvious at first.

1st of all,
the drones, I change them, depending on the mission.
This link above only shows a possible mix up which covers different options.
Also, I now carry 4 or 5 Salvage Drones since I learned to fly them.
I also learned to fly Shield and Armor Repair drones but they don`t do much repair, especially the smaller versions.

I managed to fit 2 Gecko which are not listed in that fit.

2ndly,
the tank, I now use an Ancillary Armor Repair module and I didn't update the fit yet.

3rdly,
the guns, I used mixed guns which saves on Power Core and can destroy frigate at close range.
The Heavy guns work to reach long range target.
Other than that, the turrets on a Dominix do about 20% DPS so I am not concerned about it.

I can test the lasers for range and result but I don't know if I will stick to them.

There are probably a few T2 modules by now, on top of the Damage Control II.
I think the Drones are T1 so far though.
I also have an EVEboard.com of the pilot that flies the ship, but, for covert reasons, I don`t post it.

T2 Tank will require :
- Hull Upgrades V (I have IV) / Rank 2
Optional:
- Repair Systems IV (I have II) / Rank 1

4thly,
I managed to run Level 4 Missions with Alts including a Stealth Bomber.

5thly,
As for T2 Sentries, since I am learning to fly a Black Ops, I skipped that part for now.
In fact, I have to update one of my 2 last skills tonight at around 10 PM or tomorrow after 11 AM.

6thly,
How did you even get three bil to lose in the first place?
I lost more than 10b most of which came from PLExes.
I also get 3% discount and can run my own webstore though I didn`t yet.


Xylem Viliana wrote:
You really need to learn how to fit a ship properly first, im amazed that domi is alive.

dont mix your guns, get a proper tank, use full sets of drones.

Seriously, you advertise your wanting to fly a blackops and fly that, your gonna get it blown up very quickly.

Your issue isnt looting, its your fitting knowledge, the folks here can help you with that, learn from it.
My drones are mixed as I do change them mid-flight depending on the target.
I also use an Alt to pick them up, by abandoning them in space.
That used to work wonderfully for Sentries which were too slow to pick-up until I fitted a 100MN AB.

As for getting blown up very quickly...
I don't fly enough to get blown up quickly since it has never been worth it more for me to fly.

I make more from the Bazaar and buying PLEx.
One of the reasons I want a Black Ops is to move around faster and more easily.

(continued below...)

Ship Type : Out of pod (for now)

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2015-04-08 21:23:07 UTC
Geez man, you are making this into some kind of nightmarish voodoo.

And that domi is sh!t. All those cap mods could be full of sensor boosters and/or omnis. You don't need guns on domi, you need sentries and maybe some small ones. And MJD for easy mode. You warp into mission pocket, drop & bookmark MTU, MJD out of range or just drop sentries if rats are at range already, blast everything in sight, pickup sentries, MJD/go to gate or go to agent for next mission if this one is finished. Rinse repeat for 1.5 hour and then you switch to noctis and hoover up all loot from MTUs and salvage wrecks. That's all there is to it.

If you have problems with getting loot with MTU you are doing something seriously wrong. And if you don't kill rats fast enough or hold your tank your skills are sh!t. And wasting time with playing with different drones when you can just use sentries is well, wasting time.

Also, you want black ops for easier moving around? Like where? Jita - your mission hub?

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#13 - 2015-04-08 21:27:09 UTC
Bad fit is bad.

I'd try something like this:

[Dominix, Domi]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Warden II x5
Curator II x5
Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-04-08 21:45:13 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
#1.With "gamma" and "radio" erg cz is talking about laser crystals. Dominixes have unbonused turret slots, so you don't have to fit hybrids to them. He's fitting lasers.

#2.If it takes three capacitor boosters to keep your lights on, though, you might want to forego the lasers and work on fitting skills. I've never seen more than two, and those ships were running far more cap-intensive fits than you are.

#3.How far have you trained your skills in Capacitor Management, Capacitor Systems Operation, Controlled Bursts? CPU Management? Power Grid Management? Those should be 4 at the very least, except the x1 skills, which should be 5.

#4.After that, I can only second the advice about using a consistent rack of guns (350s if you're running into fitting issues), a consistent set of drones (Curator Is are fine) and a T2 armor tank. Also, unless you're fighting Angel Cartel or mercenaries, that Explosive hardener is probably not doing you any good. Assuming that most of your enemies are Serpentis, they shoot hybrid weapons like you do, so they also do thermal and kinetic damage. One of each hardener will make a significant difference even at T1, but the T2 versions are drastically better. Ditto the T2 armor repairers, though again you'll want to improve your capacitor skills before fitting one of those.

#5.nb: Cap stability is a trap. Don't fit for it. You only need enough cap to get through the mission, and learning to manage it instead of turning everything on immediately and leaving it on will take your fitting and flying skills to the next level.


A#1.
I can test the lasers for range and result but I don't know if I will stick to them.
Thanks for the Dominix having no bonus to turrets btw, as I didn't notice.
I could try fitting projectile since it requires no Capacitor power to run.

A#2.
The reason there are 3 capacitor boosters is because they are medium, or at least 2 of them are.
I tried a fitting with a large cap booster and it generates less power and somehow takes longer to be ready for the next cycle.
3 cap booster offer a faster cycle and , the charge also take less space in the cargo hold.
I really don't want to fly with Expanded Cargo Hold modules although I may try...

A#3.
Capacitor Management > Level 3
Capacitor Systems Operation > Level 3
Controlled Bursts > Level 2
CPU Management (x1 skill) > Level 4 (not 5 yet due to Black Ops skills requirement learning)
Power Grid Management (x1 skill) > Level 4 (same...)

A#4.
For me to have one set of guns will be possible once the Power Grid matter is solved.
I should be able to handle frigates with drones since they do 80% more damage than the Large guns anyways.
I don't know what else I could put than guns, maybe some energy leech or something else.
I had 2 Curators on that linked fit and I use Curators as they can penetrate shield faster.
I keep my other drones types for speed and other factors.
I am learning how to use ECM drones as well as other types now.

The Armor Hardeners can be switched before missions (against Angel Cartel or other) + I sometimes use 2 types on one fit.

I never needed 3 types of Armor Hardeners for a single mission yet.

I also think that I didn't fight enough Serpentis yet.
I really hate pirates even though I'd like to try their Level 3 Epic Arc missions.
(Besides, I also have some use for some pirates but I won't mention it here yet.)

I believe that I now use an Ancillary Armor Repairer.

A#5.
That fit is not cap stable nor trying to be, it simply allows fast injection of power to armor rep.


Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Plz explain what you need a black ops for

The Black Ops need is for movement and probably some other reasons since I have a Covert Fleet.
1) BR , 2) SB , 3) Cov Op, 4) Force Recon and soon Astero and then Stratios...


As for doing it wrong... :
I am merely testing this and even with the best opportunities, I am still making more profit otherwise.
This activity would work good for baiting and counter attacking with a Blops fleet.

Ship Type : Out of pod (for now)

Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-04-08 21:46:01 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Bad fit is bad.

I'd try something like this:

[Dominix, Domi]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
...
Warden II x5
Curator II x5


ty


Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Geez man, you are making this into some kind of nightmarish voodoo.

And that domi is sh!t. All those cap mods could be full of sensor boosters and/or omnis. You don't need guns on domi, you need sentries and maybe some small ones. And MJD for easy mode. You warp into mission pocket, drop & bookmark MTU, MJD out of range or just drop sentries if rats are at range already, blast everything in sight, pickup sentries, MJD/go to gate or go to agent for next mission if this one is finished. Rinse repeat for 1.5 hour and then you switch to noctis and hoover up all loot from MTUs and salvage wrecks. That's all there is to it.

If you have problems with getting loot with MTU you are doing something seriously wrong. And if you don't kill rats fast enough or hold your tank your skills are sh!t. And wasting time with playing with different drones when you can just use sentries is well, wasting time.

Also, you want black ops for easier moving around? Like where? Jita - your mission hub?
No, I make too much for that now.

Thanks for the offer to put some sensor boosters and/or omnis.
What are omnis and would the sensor booster work for the drones?
Are the sensor booster only for turrets?
What about some Sensor Dampener which may be standard for Gallente as well?

I do that bookmark MTU + MJD already , and use sentries as well.
You mean just switch to Noctis or Salvager (I used to take a Trasher or Algos or other).

Can you come back to missions Dead Space pockets after they are traded in if they are bookmarked?
I'm not so sure if it would work as I remember it failing before , after it was turned in.

As for using different drones, well, sentries are slow, and using other drones make it faster.

As for the Black Ops, well, I have a Covert Fleet now and I will go where I want.
Low sec, null or other.
I'm not sure about WH yet, but it won't take long to find out.

Ship Type : Out of pod (for now)

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#16 - 2015-04-08 22:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Sentries don't move but domi can push 550 - 700 dps out of them up to 150km assuming high/max skills. Your fit has what, 300 dps?
So you MJD at range, drop sentries, kill everything, pickup sentries, MJD to next gate.

If you want to move fly marauder or ishtar (although I use ishtar as sentry boat because it's even more easy mode than domi, fasters warps, faster align, small sig, I can perma tank bonus room in Angel Extravaganza with it)

You put sensor booster so you could lock frigs faster, domi is BS with weak locking times.
Omnis improve your drones tracking or optimal.
Why da frakk would you put damps on your PVE ship?

When you finish mission (complete at agent) whole mission scenery despawns but your wrecks and loot and bookmarks stay so you can warp there without any problems.

Use whatever you can for salvaging, I have max noctis skills so I use that.

Seriously, you have hugs know-how problems here. read something, watch youtube, it all out there and on those forums repeated probably hundreds of times.

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Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-04-08 22:47:05 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Sentries don't move but domi can push 550 - 700 dps out of them up to 150km assuming high/max skills. Your fit has what, 300 dps?

No , I get 550 dps and a bit more if I lower the tank.

It can take a lot of damage point blank.

Ship Type : Out of pod (for now)

Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-04-08 22:53:38 UTC
The **** is going on in this thread is this a joke. Op go look up more info and stop worrying about black ops
Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-04-08 23:46:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Veine Miromme
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
The **** is going on in this thread is this a joke. Op go look up more info and stop worrying about black ops

Is this supposed to be a good suggestion to try to help me?
What if you phrased it like this :
Look up more info and don't try to find out suggestions, it makes you look like if you're worried?

I tried to answer honestly but that is obviously not what you are looking for.

Estella Osoka wrote:
...
[Dominix, Domi]

...
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

...
#1 - I don't use Rigs since not using them saves me the future loses in case I lose my ship.
#2 - I use 4 Drone Damage Amplifier and I can't use Tier II yet.
#3 - There is a War Dec declared against my pilot so I will leave their corp, as soon as I have to fly.


Schmata Bastanold wrote:
...
-1- So you MJD at range, drop sentries, kill everything, pickup sentries, MJD to next gate.

-2- If you want to move fly marauder or ishtar (although I use ishtar as sentry boat because it's even more easy mode than domi, fasters warps, faster align, small sig, I can perma tank bonus room in Angel Extravaganza with it)

-3- You put sensor booster so you could lock frigs faster, domi is BS with weak locking times.
Omnis improve your drones tracking or optimal.
Why da frakk would you put damps on your PVE ship?

...

I had 12 minutes left on my internet time to change my skill to Jump Drive Calibration tomorrow morning at 9:04 AM.
The store I have to change my skill from opens at 9 AM.
I have an appointment for a serious matter that is going on for over 3 years now, which is before when I started EVE.

I have 6 minutes left to change my skill, and the system I use takes off about 5 to 3 minutes when I log in.
(I'm lucky I don't have to reload the client patching, I'd never have enough time.)

I'm also busy doing tests to become a police officer, even if that is going to be in other countries.

I took over 3 hours to answer those above posts so far.

I literally make at least 45 to 160 times more ISK ingame income from Bazaar trading and PLEx purchases than other.
I will soon be able to create Merchant Alliances and/or coalitions which increase my income profit percentage further.

-1-
Again, the MTU... Pick-up the MTU. And time. The time it takes.

-2-
I use Alts which I listed. No Ishtar, Marauder, or much other at this time except BC.

-3-
The locking on the frigs is done by the Drones.
My Signature Analysis skill is IV.
It doesn't take long to target frigs.

Again, I don't know what Omnis are.
For drones tracking and range you mention?
Why da frakk would you put damps on your PVE ship?
To make it harder to get locked on.

I won't have time to finish to answer.
But this is nothing new, usually at the most critical inopportune times...

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-04-09 00:02:01 UTC
All a black ops is going to do is increase the value of your loss mails. (Hint: It's not faster or easier to move than a Dominix, unless you're in low or 0.0 but even then, seriously, don't use it for missions)

For running missions the dominix is vastly superior to the Sin. If you want an upgrade go to the Navy Domi.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

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