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Is assault frigates a bit underpowered?

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2015-04-08 14:40:34 UTC
William Rokov wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:

CCP tried that once in the test server, but people whined and they changed the 50% aB bonus to the now useles MWD bloom reduction (useless becase AF cannot , for most of them fight outside scram range)

Most of them can fight outside scram range and in dis range, but low speed on mwd making it pretty bad idea - anyone can run away when he wants, anyone can catch them, when he wants.



Barely outside scram range is not outside scram range, because a simple prop mod overhead can deny that.

Most of them cannot fight at 17+ km.

If the AF would still be as slow as they are, but where immune to MWD shutdown by scram, then they woudl be easy to catch, but hard to neutralize. WOudl fit PERFECTLY to the role. And do not step into the toes of any other ship

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2015-04-08 14:42:32 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:

And what kills T3Ds? BCs and BSs? Cruisers? They don't.



Show me a T3D that kills a PVP fit bhalghorn/vindicator that has a clue on what it is doing ;)

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
bunzing heet
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#63 - 2015-04-08 14:43:43 UTC
William Rokov wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:

And what kills T3Ds? BCs and BSs? Cruisers? They don't.

To be honest, even t1 cruisers is enough for killing t3d: 1, 2, 3, 4
But it is a bit offtop, we are talking about assault frigates.
Imagine there are no t3d in eve and remove small plexes from FW. Where will be niche in pvp for assault frigs in such situation?


Af are just buffed up t1 frigs so I guess there niche will be hard tackle
They just need a speed buff to be really effective in this purpose
I fly them a lot and have loads of fun doing it
The jag is the only one that's a bit weird it's no kiter and doesn't really shine as brawler
The bonuses of the jag suggest is needs to kite but the slot layout doesn't agree
Enyo ishkur retri vengeance hawk harpy wolf are all fine ships they just lack a little in speed

Fly safe keep killing And remember I'm watching you !!!!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2015-04-08 22:42:40 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:

And what kills T3Ds? BCs and BSs? Cruisers? They don't.



Show me a T3D that kills a PVP fit bhalghorn/vindicator that has a clue on what it is doing ;)


Sure let's make our analysis of what can kill a T3D by using pirate battleships as reference point of a thing that can do it if well fit and flown...
Lienzo
Amanuensis
#65 - 2015-04-08 23:06:35 UTC
AFs clearly need AB bonuses for their typical fleet role, or at least half the lineup does.

However, when that was tried, oversize ABs allowed them to be pretty much unstoppable.

That is yet another reason why we need stacking penalties on fitting modules and rigs, and why engineering rigs need smart rig penalties. Do that and huge chunks of the game start becoming viable again.
William Rokov
Better go yolo
Yolo Brothers
#66 - 2015-04-09 06:45:31 UTC
Lienzo wrote:
AFs clearly need AB bonuses for their typical fleet role, or at least half the lineup does.

Bonus for speed on AB is not good idea, coz there are some AFs with only 2 mid slots. Maybe bonuses for mwd speed (so they will fly faster on mwd, but with same speed as now without mwd) instead of bonuses for base speed would be nice idea.

No links, no scouts. True solo pvp pilot.
Saladinae
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2015-04-10 05:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Saladinae
Kagura Nikon wrote:
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Give Assault frigates IMMUNITY to MWD shutdown under scram, and voilá... EXTRA FLAVOR.. and a nice boost for the ship.


Ok, you literally just solved the frigate/dessie hull/tier balance.

I'm serious.

+1

Please implement.

Since their slower and they still have a sig bloom from MWD, it's balanced and actually makes them worth it.

I've noticed I don't fly any AF's with MWD if I can't dual prop them, which makes it impossible for me to catch a MWD BB, that's absurd!

Winmatar > Everything else
Lienzo
Amanuensis
#68 - 2015-04-10 07:20:21 UTC
William Rokov wrote:

Bonus for speed on AB is not good idea, coz there are some AFs with only 2 mid slots. Maybe bonuses for mwd speed (so they will fly faster on mwd, but with same speed as now without mwd) instead of bonuses for base speed would be nice idea.


Not every frigate has to be tackle. The Retribution is traditionally a damage support ship. Even so, it can web or point.

However, the bonuses of about half of the AFs make them good at operating in scram range. The Vengeance was pretty much retooled for it. All the AF lines have at least one sniper.

Ideally, the snipers would get speed boosts, and the other half would get web resistance.

Those same bonuses would translate well to HACs, if only we could do away with oversize ABs on all of them.