Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi gyus! Several days ago we got huge discussion about t3 destroyers, HACs, assault frigates and their tier 1 analogs. During this discussion we noticed that assault frigates got a very special niche - they are best burner-killers, but in small-scale pvp they got a bit less usage, than any another shiptype. After some analysts, we decided to compare t1 frigs with assaults and repeat same procedure for t1 cruisers and HACs and find assault frigs problem - what are their main disadvantage, compare to same shiptype tier-line.

Main conclusion: assault frigates are ok at dps, tank and fitting, they got same multiplier as other t1-t2 variants. But they got huge problem with speed. Tests was pretty easy - find two ships that looks like a t1-t2 analogs (usually they got same hull), than fit in eft to hull only MWD and check speed. Than remove best and worth results and get the average multiplier. So the only one problem with assault frigs is too low speed.

Okay, lets check some calculation. It will be like table with 5 columns - t1 ship, his t2 analog, t1 ship speed on mwd, t2 ship speed on mwd, multiplier (t2 ship speed/t1 ship speed). Not obvious lines are ignored (i dunno what is t1 frig for vengeance, for example).
Merlin - Harpy - 2814 - 2199 - 0,78
Kestrel - Hawk - 2767 - 2205 - 0,8
Punisher - Retribution - 2905 - 2297 - 0,79
Tristan - Ishkur - 3022 - 2319 - 0,77
Incursus - Enyo - 3033 - 2380 - 0,78
Rifter - jaguar - 3186 - 2688 - 0,84
Rifter - wolf - 3186 - 2543 - 0,80
Worst and best result removed, average multiplier - 0,79.

Now same for t1 cruiser and Heavy Assault Cruisers.
Moa - Eagle - 1547 - 1569 - 1.01
Caracal - Cerberus - 1881 - 1730 - 0,92
Omen - Zealot - 2018 - 1662 - 0,82
Vexor - Ishtar - 1663 - 1578 - 0,95
Thorax - Deimos - 2028 - 1925 - 0,95
Stabber - Vagabond - 2435 - 2453 - 1.01
Rupture - Muninn - 2453 - 1897 - 1.12
Worst and best result removed, average multiplier - 0,97.

To summarize: assault frigates are some underpowered coz of low speed - they got a lot less multiplier, than hacs (but hacs, same as t1 cruisers is OK in current eve). I think they need some love, and my suggestion is to let them at least 0,93-0,94 speed multiplier, so they will got a special niche of heavy frigs, that are tanky and strong in gamage dealing, but a bit slowly, than typically frigates.

Discuss pls.

Gud thread.

Goes hand-in-hand with T3D discussions. I vote to move this topic to Features & Idea forum.

This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.

But it is not feature or idea, its discussion about balance some type of ships and comparing them to other ship type.

Its not about assault frig balance. Its about close vs range in huge numbers fleets and its different story, that have not something in common with that thread.

Assault frigate main problem, with few exceptiosn like the harpy, is because they are EXTREMELY short range ADN MWD bonused at same time and lack enough mids for dual prop. Result is they need to get close... gett SCRAMMED, their MWD turns OFFF and they DIE.


Give Assault frigates IMMUNITY to MWD shutdown under scram, and voilá... EXTRA FLAVOR.. and a nice boost for the ship.

And with a 50% sig drop, I'd never fly anything else on a roam again, ever.

Have you SEEN a dual MSAB hawk?

U can check my killboard for it. Ofcourse i have seen a lot of dual masb hawks. But in any gang, where u are not limited by artificial barriers (like "only t2 frigs awailable") assault frigates dont have any good place for them. t2 and t3 destroyers are better in dps, tank and speed in same time. t1 cruisers better in tank, dps, fitting and damage projection while they got lower price, than assault frigs. Interceptors are a lot better in tackling. Even t1 frigs for interceptors-killing are better than assault frigs. Thats what im talking about, assault frigs dont have any advantage in any role, compare to other ships in that role. And they have not their own "special" role (like t2 destroyers or fleet interceptors).

Svipuls already shown us how imbalanced immune to scram is.

Its not going to give them the edge they need.

This game is dominantly about kiting, harpies have a place because of range. Everything else is just gimmicky.

Scram immunity would put them where they need to be, but as you've said, it would downright dumb. On the other hand, they are slow enough to get double webbed. Problem is, 1v1 is where the scram immunity will cause trouble.

AFs are for when you need to fit a cruiser into a small plex. Every other occasion everything else is better. Even then T3Ds are pushing them out now. For those who think FW isn't everything - AFs are pretty much useless everywhere else.

*points at Interceptors*
Frigates have more subclasses than Cruisers.
Interceptors are your speed class, AF's are your tanky slow class. Seizing the single stat where they are actually pretty much intentionally slower as an argument really doesn't work.