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Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-04-06 20:25:52 UTC
They are sort of like a cross between Scientology and ISIS.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#22 - 2015-04-06 20:26:07 UTC
Btw Salah ... I never got to ask.

What turned you from a hater into a member?
That'd be interesting to know.
You had SO MUCH irrational hate for CODE, it was borderline. ^_^
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-04-06 20:26:42 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Well ... many who complain, so far nothing you have done,
seem to be incapable of seperating the game from RL.

I'm not sure I understand the reason for our questions.

Having a mining permit does not prevent you from getting ganked.
CODE aren't the only gankers out there.

They also do not need justification.
It is NOT justification. See, that's why I asked...... it's a game.

A game about blowing up spaceships.
People who blow up your spaceship for no reason are perfectly fine to do so.

The CODE simply is a thing that basically started from shooting afk people,
combined with shooting miners who are afk most of the time in untanked ships.

Which is stupid, because that get's you killed. Rightfully so.


Long story.......... in detail, it's actually a really good one though.


So the quick answer is, Code is all fake anyway and has no affect on how CODE actually behaves. So why even have it? Is it for RP reasons then, and if so why did a GM require the 10 mil payment.

I am just asking questions based on your comments. I take no position which matters and you are free to carry on doing as you are doing. I am just interested in how it all works.

There is no "fake".
It's a game!

The actual reason for the saviour thing was that it
helped recruiting back then, before the New Order got ... turned ... into CODE.

It's fun for many people to follow a leader. People like that. And it makes perfect sense
in a game like this. CODE has rather ... hmm .... disconnected RP, but it works.


In any sense it seems that "It's a game" a swers most of your questions.

The bigger one though seems to be: Why do you ask?
"Just curious" isn't an answer.


I think the original post is clear on why I am asking about the Code and CODE and what their goals are. I like to learn new things and see what people are thinking. Be that RP reasons, Meta reasons, etc.

There can be lots of fake in a game. I can say one thing and then do another different than what I said I was going to do all within the game. Just like how CODE has a Code, but its meaningless because it isn't followed. The Code is thus fake and is just the base used for the RP, as your just said its fun to follow the leader and the RP works. Even if the RP is based on a Code which CODE itself does not follow.

Hard to take an organization serious when they do not follow a set of rules or a Code - especially when they have a Code on a website maintained by the "leader'.

So to your question, I answered why i want to know. The response on the desire for Code is to cause mayhem and bring 'balance' to high-sec. Many people would consider that balance like how Anakin Skywalker brought balance to the force, and all within the game affecting other peoples game.

How about a return question, Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all?
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#24 - 2015-04-06 20:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Solecist
I can not answer that question.

Times change. Back during my active time,
the answer would have been:

People are being shot, because it's stupid to be afk in space
in something easily shootable. Also I do not understand how CODE isn't following their CODE...

... but it would be hilarious to have a CODE member shoot down another one for being afk in space! xD


The balance issue, anyway, has to do with people
who are rather disconnected from reality.

See the above person.

They see hate and griefers everywhere and call gankers sociopaths
and mknsters and whatnot, while actually being the most hatespewing of them all.

They want highsec to be safe, because that's what's needed to make the weak,
spoiled, disconnected people happy. Who?* That's those who identify so much with i game activities,
that they completely tick off if you shatter their pretend reality.

People like the hater above pretend to be good people
who want to make the game easier accessible for those
who are not cut out for it... essentially changing the whole game.

Unlike the hater I do not advise to ignore. Instead listen for clues
which tell where the person really is coming from.

Only haters tell you to ignore someone ...
... because that's the only way they have to deal with those who call them out.


* See... one of the big reasons why MMOs create only heros,
is because it caters to those who have nothing inside.

Shooting easy AI gives them a fake sense of accomplishment.
"Free the village and be the hero."

Too many games bait the weak minds into playing them. They target lower
instincrs and the emptyness i their hearts, creating people with a false sense of pride
and achievements. And then these people come to EVE and their world is shattered.

Because it was all fake. They aren't heros and they aren't skilled at all.
Avoiding PvP often is a sign that someone avoids being confro ted
with the fact that there are others out there who are better.

Remembed: Pretty much all MMOs breed "winners" ... except EVE.
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Paranoid Loyd
#25 - 2015-04-06 20:35:55 UTC
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all?
It creates conflict.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#26 - 2015-04-06 20:42:39 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
FINALLY A CODE THREAD AGAIN !!

Indeed. It got me worried for GD already.
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#27 - 2015-04-06 20:44:04 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Btw Salah ... I never got to ask.

What turned you from a hater into a member?
That'd be interesting to know.
You had SO MUCH irrational hate for CODE, it was borderline. ^_^


Had you spent a couple of minutes to do your research, you would have known that it is the thief who shouts the loudest about a stolen bag.

I scammed a combat ship from a (potential) anti-ganker that day. The execution of the plan was beyond parody, and I only got slightly more than 100 million ISK in assets - hardly worth the time I spent on it - but it was my first scam, and I was hopping around the room like an Easter bunny when I cut it.

This fail-fit ship still sits in Hek, untouched, as a reminder of my little triumph.

Agent of the New Order

Live by the Code - die by the Code.

The Voice of Highsec
Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-04-06 20:44:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalissa Ropol
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all?
It creates conflict.


Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#29 - 2015-04-06 20:45:57 UTC
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Btw Salah ... I never got to ask.

What turned you from a hater into a member?
That'd be interesting to know.
You had SO MUCH irrational hate for CODE, it was borderline. ^_^


Had you spent a couple of minutes to do your research, you would have known that it is the thief who shouts the loudest about a stolen bag.

I scammed a combat ship from a (potential) anti-ganker that day. The execution of the plan was beyond parody, and I only got slightly more than 100 million ISK in assets - hardly worth the time I spent on it - but it was my first scam, and I was hopping around the room like an Easter bunny when I cut it.

This fail-fit ship still sits in Hek, untouched, as a reminder of my little triumph.

Hahahahaha congrats! ^_^
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#30 - 2015-04-06 20:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Solecist
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all?
It creates conflict.


Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?

Conflicts fuels the economy.
Conflicts make the game interesting and different.

Or: Why not?

Edit: You edited your post and I didn't notice.

Also... wrong. Highsec was not designed not to have conflict.
Assuming this makes no sense and you need a source for that claim,
because ingame reality clearly shows otherwise.
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Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-04-06 20:51:47 UTC
If CCP really wanted high sec to be "anti-conflict" they would have made it impossible for players even to target and attack other players in high sec.
Paranoid Loyd
#32 - 2015-04-06 20:53:35 UTC
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all?
It creates conflict.


Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?

It's not the question you asked but the way you asked it that shows what you really think. I refer you to my first post in this thread.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#33 - 2015-04-06 20:54:13 UTC
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all?
It creates conflict.


Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?


Ultimately because it is a game of the sandbox type. Not a themepark and most certainly not a place for 'gold-farmers' to afk in.

(RP) As to CODE... They are a necessary evil rather like the Amarrian Empire. Liberties are hard won.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#34 - 2015-04-06 20:57:03 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all?
It creates conflict.


Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?

It's not the question you asked but the way you asked it that shows what you really think. I refer you to my first post in this thread.
I agree... but let's keep this going.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#35 - 2015-04-06 21:00:03 UTC
Kalissa Ropol wrote:

I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I don’t recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.


Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma:

Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite.

Anything CODE can safely be ignored.

Mr Epeen Cool
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#36 - 2015-04-06 21:00:32 UTC
Manifesto I

Manifesto II



Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#37 - 2015-04-06 21:02:00 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:

I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I don’t recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.


Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma:

Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite.

Anything CODE can safely be ignored.

Mr Epeen Cool

Please don't talk like that ass on the first page.
You are better than that.

Advising ignornance is a dumb and hatefull thing to do.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#38 - 2015-04-06 21:04:46 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:

I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I don’t recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.


Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma:

Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite.

Anything CODE can safely be ignored.

Mr Epeen Cool

Please don't talk like that ass on the first page.
You are better than that.

Advising ignornance is a dumb and hatefull thing to do.

Please tell me you didn't actually buy shares, Sol.

Mr Epeen Cool
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#39 - 2015-04-06 21:06:05 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:

I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I don’t recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.


Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma:

Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite.

Anything CODE can safely be ignored.

Mr Epeen Cool

Every time I think you might be a reasonable poster, you turn up and post something like this.
Paranoid Loyd
#40 - 2015-04-06 21:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Hengle Teron wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kalissa Ropol wrote:

I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I don’t recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.


Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma:

Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite.

Anything CODE can safely be ignored.

Mr Epeen Cool

Every time I think you might be a reasonable poster, you turn up and post something like this.

And that's exactly why he posts things like this. It's all just a game. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!