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A1izee
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-04-06 18:30:06 UTC
Hi guys I'm new to the wormhole scene and was wondering if you guys could give me any advice on running c5 escalations in a pulsar. Like how many dreads and caps to use to be really effective site times and all that as well as fitting advice for this. Me and my corp are looking to do this. As well as capital pvp in wh's. Any advice there is welcome as well thanks!
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
#2 - 2015-04-06 18:57:19 UTC
A1izee wrote:
Hi guys I'm new to the wormhole scene and was wondering if you guys could give me any advice on running c5 escalations in a pulsar. Like how many dreads and caps to use to be really effective site times and all that as well as fitting advice for this. Me and my corp are looking to do this. As well as capital pvp in wh's. Any advice there is welcome as well thanks!

I'm happy to see there is more interest for people doing PVP in Pulsars rather then just PVE. I'm guessing your corp is fully moving into C5 Pulsar?
Okay so, I'm guessing you know everything about siege/triage cycles which last 5 minutes. Most of people do sites in 2 cycles (10minutes) which is pretty okay, and doable with just 4 capitals, 2 dreads and 2 carriers. But if you have more and you want to do single cycle sites, which is what you should go for, you need 2 carriers, and around 5 dreads, along with a Huginn/Loki, at least 1 prefferably more, and boosts to support those ships. Carriers should be Chimeras, at least the first carrier (triage one), but Nidhoggur works just as fine, and Thanny. In theory you can do shield Archon, but that's only if you are lords servant or fanboi.

So, it pretty much summs to:
10minutes - 2carriers, 2dreads (huginn/loki would be nice)
5minutes - 5-6dreads, 2 carriers (1-2 huginns,booster, if you have more alts then, scorpion/salvager, support subcaps, or just drop even more capitals if you can to make sure you are safe from people trying to kill you)

PS: I can help you with how to use those caps in practice, feel free to convo me Bear
Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#3 - 2015-04-07 14:05:50 UTC
Peter Moonlight wrote:
[quote=A1izee] along with a Huginn/Loki, at least 1 prefferably more, and boosts to support those ships. Carriers should be Chimeras, at least the first carrier (triage one), but Nidhoggur works just as fine, and Thanny. In theory you can do shield Archon, but that's only if you are lords servant or fanboi. Bear


You will want to match your tank and repair type, so using a chimera seems odd. You will armour tank the lokis/huggins to have meds free for webs, so you will need armour reps for them. Since you can't rep the dreads anyways in siege, it doesn't matter which tank type the dreads are using.

We are running with archon/naglfars/moros and brick tanked web lokis, and it works just fine. Site is finished in 2 siege cycles, we could certainly get it down to 1 by using more then 2 or 3 dreads.

2 Cycles: 2 Carriers, 2 Dreads, 1-2 Lokis
1 Cycle: 2 Carriers, 4-6 Dreads, 2-3 Lokis

More Lokis is always nice b/c targets stay in optimal longer and burn away, keeping their transversal low. We have even considred using A vindicator to hold some of the targets near by (since we have the ISK for expensive webs anyways).

A triaged archon is very well capable to tank the full escalation site. If you are concerned about the archon, take an armour tanked ship with you and load it full with ECM. Sleepers love ECM using ships and will happily switch from your archon to the ECM ship after the first "round" of targeting is over.
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
#4 - 2015-04-07 14:47:13 UTC
Stacy Lone wrote:
Peter Moonlight wrote:
[quote=A1izee] along with a Huginn/Loki, at least 1 prefferably more, and boosts to support those ships. Carriers should be Chimeras, at least the first carrier (triage one), but Nidhoggur works just as fine, and Thanny. In theory you can do shield Archon, but that's only if you are lords servant or fanboi. Bear


You will want to match your tank and repair type, so using a chimera seems odd. You will armour tank the lokis/huggins to have meds free for webs, so you will need armour reps for them. Since you can't rep the dreads anyways in siege, it doesn't matter which tank type the dreads are using.

We are running with archon/naglfars/moros and brick tanked web lokis, and it works just fine. Site is finished in 2 siege cycles, we could certainly get it down to 1 by using more then 2 or 3 dreads.

2 Cycles: 2 Carriers, 2 Dreads, 1-2 Lokis
1 Cycle: 2 Carriers, 4-6 Dreads, 2-3 Lokis

More Lokis is always nice b/c targets stay in optimal longer and burn away, keeping their transversal low. We have even considred using A vindicator to hold some of the targets near by (since we have the ISK for expensive webs anyways).

A triaged archon is very well capable to tank the full escalation site. If you are concerned about the archon, take an armour tanked ship with you and load it full with ECM. Sleepers love ECM using ships and will happily switch from your archon to the ECM ship after the first "round" of targeting is over.

You clearly don't know anything about Pulsar or wormhole effects, so please keep your advices for yourself..
Also, post with your main, might be able to help a bit with your capital escalations.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#5 - 2015-04-07 14:51:45 UTC
Stacy Lone wrote:
Peter Moonlight wrote:
[quote=A1izee] along with a Huginn/Loki, at least 1 prefferably more, and boosts to support those ships. Carriers should be Chimeras, at least the first carrier (triage one), but Nidhoggur works just as fine, and Thanny. In theory you can do shield Archon, but that's only if you are lords servant or fanboi. Bear


You will want to match your tank and repair type, so using a chimera seems odd. You will armour tank the lokis/huggins to have meds free for webs, so you will need armour reps for them. Since you can't rep the dreads anyways in siege, it doesn't matter which tank type the dreads are using.

We are running with archon/naglfars/moros and brick tanked web lokis, and it works just fine. Site is finished in 2 siege cycles, we could certainly get it down to 1 by using more then 2 or 3 dreads.

2 Cycles: 2 Carriers, 2 Dreads, 1-2 Lokis
1 Cycle: 2 Carriers, 4-6 Dreads, 2-3 Lokis

More Lokis is always nice b/c targets stay in optimal longer and burn away, keeping their transversal low. We have even considred using A vindicator to hold some of the targets near by (since we have the ISK for expensive webs anyways).

A triaged archon is very well capable to tank the full escalation site. If you are concerned about the archon, take an armour tanked ship with you and load it full with ECM. Sleepers love ECM using ships and will happily switch from your archon to the ECM ship after the first "round" of targeting is over.


What Stacy forgot to say:

Stacy uses another alt ina cloaky/zephyr to create a warp in for the cap group 60k above the actual anom. Escalations spawn there, and with guards wanting to go into a 35k orbit they'll burn straight away from whatever they're shooting at (usually the carrier anyways). FOr any sort of escalation, I'd suggest to keep the subcap count down to 3 if possible. That case you can keep a rep constantly on each.
In the earlier days, people used 90%-web ashimmus to pin the escalation wave down right where it spawned, Vindicators though are quite squishy with dualwebs and triggering 3-4 waves at once. I don't quite see the benefit, they either got not enough webs to justify or they require pimp to get their ehp up to levels where they don't pop. In Pulsars atleast, huginns for webs and golem for painter/tractor/salvager might be about the smartest choice. Afterall, you make ISK/pilot.

Smartest setup imo:
Chimmy/Nid as first carrier (really doesn't matter which of the two)
Thanny as second carrier cause dps
Golem for paints/frigkilling if needed and salvaging
2 Huginns for webs (small Nos fitted to leech cap off first carrier)
Rest Moros
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
#6 - 2015-04-07 18:25:37 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Stacy Lone wrote:
Peter Moonlight wrote:
[quote=A1izee] along with a Huginn/Loki, at least 1 prefferably more, and boosts to support those ships. Carriers should be Chimeras, at least the first carrier (triage one), but Nidhoggur works just as fine, and Thanny. In theory you can do shield Archon, but that's only if you are lords servant or fanboi. Bear


You will want to match your tank and repair type, so using a chimera seems odd. You will armour tank the lokis/huggins to have meds free for webs, so you will need armour reps for them. Since you can't rep the dreads anyways in siege, it doesn't matter which tank type the dreads are using.

We are running with archon/naglfars/moros and brick tanked web lokis, and it works just fine. Site is finished in 2 siege cycles, we could certainly get it down to 1 by using more then 2 or 3 dreads.

2 Cycles: 2 Carriers, 2 Dreads, 1-2 Lokis
1 Cycle: 2 Carriers, 4-6 Dreads, 2-3 Lokis

More Lokis is always nice b/c targets stay in optimal longer and burn away, keeping their transversal low. We have even considred using A vindicator to hold some of the targets near by (since we have the ISK for expensive webs anyways).

A triaged archon is very well capable to tank the full escalation site. If you are concerned about the archon, take an armour tanked ship with you and load it full with ECM. Sleepers love ECM using ships and will happily switch from your archon to the ECM ship after the first "round" of targeting is over.


What Stacy forgot to say:

Stacy uses another alt ina cloaky/zephyr to create a warp in for the cap group 60k above the actual anom. Escalations spawn there, and with guards wanting to go into a 35k orbit they'll burn straight away from whatever they're shooting at (usually the carrier anyways). FOr any sort of escalation, I'd suggest to keep the subcap count down to 3 if possible. That case you can keep a rep constantly on each.
In the earlier days, people used 90%-web ashimmus to pin the escalation wave down right where it spawned, Vindicators though are quite squishy with dualwebs and triggering 3-4 waves at once. I don't quite see the benefit, they either got not enough webs to justify or they require pimp to get their ehp up to levels where they don't pop. In Pulsars atleast, huginns for webs and golem for painter/tractor/salvager might be about the smartest choice. Afterall, you make ISK/pilot.

Smartest setup imo:
Chimmy/Nid as first carrier (really doesn't matter which of the two)
Thanny as second carrier cause dps
Golem for paints/frigkilling if needed and salvaging
2 Huginns for webs (small Nos fitted to leech cap off first carrier)
Rest Moros

If you can, do both carriers Chimera or even if 2nd carrier is other then chimera just make them both triage capable.
Get a tengu for paints, because golem has too high of a sig radius anyways and takes more then 1 capital repper to stay alive.
You should get Huginns if you have boosts, they can be pretty squishy if you want to get full effect of them, you need a good carrier pilot incase you want to spawn 3 waves at once.
Naglfars all the way would be better but mix works as well.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#7 - 2015-04-07 20:28:09 UTC
When I used to live in one we used to drop the dreads in first + rorqual (you do need max links to tank it) + huginn(s) the huginns were invuln only tanked so pretty hairy if they took full aggro - had them constantly bouncing from 100 to 0 shields and back as max spread out rep cycles landed (by keeping them the opposite side of the capitals to the sleepers you could usually stop em taking aggro).

I don't recommend it but it kept things semi interesting.
Luft Reich
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#8 - 2015-04-07 22:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Luft Reich
You guys have no idea how to krab....

If you want real advice you can convo me in game, most of these people have no idea what a Pulsar is.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-04-08 01:25:21 UTC
- warp to site in caps
- shoot stuff
- ???
- warp out

people overcomplicate site running to no end for the tiniest of differences in running times.
it really isnt that hard and there's no difference between taking 10min or 15 min per site since the number of sites is always the limiting factor.

PS: inb4 'it's safer if you do it quicker'. if youre seeded it makes no difference and people dont rage-role anymore in anywhere NEAR high enough numbers to make any difference.

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-04-08 11:05:19 UTC
.... you can run C5's without subcaps pretty happilly (good to have some webs/jams on standby with an alt whatever...)

You will see subcaps tho because not everyone can fly capitals, its a good corp activity that everyone can participate in...

No Worries
Help They GotMyMoney
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-04-08 12:05:42 UTC
Luft Reich wrote:
You guys have no idea how to krab....

If you want real advice you can convo me in game, most of these people have no idea what a Pulsar is.


You couldn't handle the magnetar, so what you have to say is pretty irrelevant.

Post with you're main.

Lazerhawks: ¨we are 5x better organized and we win by skill not always because of numbers¨
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#12 - 2015-04-08 12:44:56 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
.... you can run C5's without subcaps pretty happilly (good to have some webs/jams on standby with an alt whatever...)

You will see subcaps tho because not everyone can fly capitals, its a good corp activity that everyone can participate in...


You don't actually need sub-caps at all but its a little faster sometimes i.e. you can refit most dreads to put 2-3K on sleepers even when they've got into orbit or warp in a loki/huginn and apply 4x that or more, mobile depots have pretty much done away with the need for subcaps even for warping out at the end.
Luft Reich
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#13 - 2015-04-08 13:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Luft Reich
Help They GotMyMoney wrote:
Luft Reich wrote:
You guys have no idea how to krab....

If you want real advice you can convo me in game, most of these people have no idea what a Pulsar is.


You couldn't handle the magnetar, so what you have to say is pretty irrelevant.


Watch your back farming, hoodie, revenge is a double edged sword. Blink

Also NPC alt, scared daddy noob will find out?

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2015-04-08 15:26:40 UTC
lol a lazerhawks guy coming at people myfuckingface

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Luft Reich
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#15 - 2015-04-08 22:49:24 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
lol a lazerhawks guy coming at people myfuckingface


I trained forum PvP up to level 1, currently training level 2.

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Help They GotMyMoney
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-04-09 12:53:47 UTC
Luft Reich wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
lol a lazerhawks guy coming at people myfuckingface


I trained forum PvP up to level 1, currently training level 2.


You should probably inject shooting guardians before they reach 35k skill.
I hear its very hard to obtain tho.

Post with you're main.

Lazerhawks: ¨we are 5x better organized and we win by skill not always because of numbers¨
Luft Reich
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#17 - 2015-04-09 22:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Luft Reich
Ohhhh hoodie, do you really want me to dig up the picture of your two caps at 300km? Or the Naglfar loss mail of yours....hmmm so many choices.

Also post on your main please, or scared of the repercussions?

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2015-04-09 23:43:42 UTC
he lost ships you lost ships? Why does anyone care?

you lost the duel tho since you went to the KBs first. maybe next time you'll gitgud

HK triumphing over lazerhawks again, nothing new to see here~

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Luft Reich
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#19 - 2015-04-10 00:09:14 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
he lost ships you lost ships? Why does anyone care?

you lost the duel tho since you went to the KBs first. maybe next time you'll gitgud

HK triumphing over lazerhawks again, nothing new to see here~


Do I win anything for posting with my main?

How much do you charge for lessons on posting BTW?

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Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
#20 - 2015-04-10 00:28:22 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
he lost ships you lost ships? Why does anyone care?

you lost the duel tho since you went to the KBs first. maybe next time you'll gitgud

HK triumphing over lazerhawks again, nothing new to see here~

Is this your new attempt to get accepted in HK ?
Don't cry, ok.
ktxhbai
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