EVE General Discussion

It goes back to the basic principle...if you are targeted, or if anyone is even on grid with you for that matter, whether you are engaged or not...you are not safe..period. Eve isn't meant to be safe.

Because people being on grid is not part of the mechanic.

If you safe log with someone on grid and they don't do anything, then all well and good. But if they do something, then the safe log off is instantly cancelled and no longer possible.

There are plenty of places someone can be safe, even when undocked. Safe logff gives you certainty about being removed from space after 30 sec, as opposed to logging off and not knowing what happens to your ship in the 60 sec that follows.

Because crimewatch doesn't recognise a simple target lock as an action to trigger a timer. It looks for the activation of an aggressive module (including non-targeted weapons like a smartbomb).

Since targeting is not the activation of an aggressive module, then no timer. But you aren't safe when being targeted, just not aggressed yet.

It only doesn't recognise it because it's not been told to. If someone targeting another player is a hostile enough action to prevent them from being safe, then surely it should trigger a timer. OTOH, perhaps if someone wants to make someone unsafe they should have to take a more aggressive action.

Let's face it, the whole safe logoff stuff was put in around supercaps and now gets used and abused by everyone and his nan.

Nearly. I'd be quite happy to see things made more difficult for industrialists too. The way I see it is that ganking/bumping is carebear PvP - low risk, low effort, low commitment, high reward. It could do with a rebalance. PvE is the same though, mission blitzing is ludicrously easy and could be sorted by shaking up the missions so they aren't so predictable. Mining is much lower reward but still way too predictable. At the very least I'd randomise ice spawn locations. For the most part lowsec is dead and I'd love to see more of a reason and more ability for PvE to extend out into that.

With this particular topic, I don't particularly care about the mechanics but I'm playing devil's advocate a bit, because I can at the very least see where they are coming from.

Playing devil's advocate only works up to a point. Saying the same thing over and over isn't devil's advocate beyond the first time.

It just becomes argumentative for the sake of argument if no new point or information is provided.

It happens in a lot of threads. Doesn't make it useful.

The mechanics are what they are and there aren't too many people that seem to have a problem with them (this isn't a regular thread or complaint for example).

I don't see them changing, but if they did, they would change equally for everyone no matter what the anticipated gameplay is. That's emergent when it happens and part of what CCP are happy with in the game.

That's why it's called "Log off safely"