EVE New Citizens Q&A

Some great advice here. Follow it, if you can.

Which brings me to my point: don't assume you ever will... get past your issues with the game, that is. Some games aren't for certain people. EvE might not be for you. Rather than bash your face against it over and over again... make this the last time. If you can't get past it or want to quit again... don't come back. There's a game out there for everyone. EvE might not be that one for you.

Imo:

The changes to safety's etc also impact newbie PVP in highsec. Consider that a good chunk of solo Pvp is finding the fight you will win, and suddenly without accidental or silly decisions in high sec real young players suddenly have a much bigger cliff to climb to find those fights.

Now, I'll be among those who will happily admit that veteran players were among the greatest users of those mechanics, but what nerfs them also nerfs newbies.

Fair enough. I'm just not one to quit just because something is outside of my comfort zone. If nothing else, even short stints are enjoyable.

You can't actually "flip" a can as for some totally inexplicable reason you can take anything from a container owned by a suspect flagged player with no consequence whatsoever.

Moreover due to barge changes basically nobody jet can mines anymore. Practically speaking it's not a thing.

Going suspect to get people to shoot you is a thing, but it's significantly more difficult because 90% of the time there's no good reason for anyone to actually shoot you anymore (unless you're shooting a deployable that belongs to them) and the overall level of risk is much, much higher, you have to be significantly more prepared in order to do it successfully. On the whole I like suspect baiting as a thing, but it's not very well suited to new players.

I think lack of accessibility in highsec PVP is in no small way responsible for the increasingly wide gap between aggressors and defenders in highsec wars, but that's another topic entirely.

I fully understand the aversion to "failure." I also get that your seeming inability to get into EvE is making you feel like you're failing. Thus, you keep coming back and experiencing roughly the same thing every time. Just do some brain searching. Apply some logic, and determine whether or not this is for you.

For some personal advice: Whatever you've been doing to date, simply isn't working. Try something different. If you're primarily carebear'ing or mining, then stop doing that. Try some PvP. FW is a good place to start. Beyond that, check out some Lo- or NPC-null pirate corps. It's mostly blobs these days to my knowledge, but at least its a taste of something different... and, in my experience, was very enjoyable.

There's my 2c. Good luck and fly reckless...

The two-edged sword of EvE is that on one hand CCP wants industry players building all the ships/modules/ammo for other players, on the other hand this means ship insurance in EvE isn't like Elite:Dangerous, where you have free 95% replacement coverage once you buy the hull & fits once. So in EvE 'losses suck', but in other PVP centric games its 'meh, just undock and go again..' after you make initial purchase. Now I'm not sure how CCP addresses this but it *is* a factor in many players minds, especially newer ones who grind ISK only to really feel their losses profoundly when it happens.

(I often wonder what glorious mindshift would happen in New Eden if we also had 95% replacement coverage, and shift away from a risk aversion based economy as a result...but I digress...)

One thing you might consider is being part of a large alliance that has a ship-replacement-program, and perhaps logistics to have all doctrine fits pre-built and available for its members on contracts in the home system(s). A potential stepping stone to that might be to join a pirate corp, and focus on reducing losses by only engaging when victory is assured (see my points re: risk aversion and this being CCP's problem to solve, not yours..above).

Key is these issues are very hard to overcome solo, and the sooner you get into a 'good' alliance with support resources the sooner these issues go away.

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I say go back to FW space, but with a completely different mindset.

Don't be paranoid about the people in local, all you are after is a good fight. Look at them as possible good fights, possible victims. They should be paranoid about you.

Buy everything in bulk, I usually have around 7 frigates, couple destroyers and a cruiser ready and fitted. With modules and ships for maybe 20 more to be fitted up if those explode. Exploding itself is nothing, you're just losing ammo.

Maybe look at the corp I am in if you want help, we fly in FW space but are not enrolled in FW, we are here purely for the fights against all sides. Very noob friendly and I learned everything from being in here.

Something that makes getting lots of ships and their fittings purchased in the correct amounts is http://eve-shopping.com/ . From either EFT (or a similar program) or in game export your preferred ship fits, load in eve shopping, select how many ships you want to buy, and then open up your shopping list *in game* and go shopping! Helps to be in a market hub. Get the stuff shipped to your staging station and done! You have all your ships and their modules in place, so just hammer on "fit to ship" and away you go.

I have been at this game for about 3 months now and what a lot of these old time players forget is that a new player doesn't know squat about fitting out ships and maybe if you could afford 100 frigates you might actually learn something by joining Faction Warfare -- but of course you are new, broke, and for the most part clueless - that being said in a nice no BS way.

Half these people don't remember what is was like to start this game. News flash for posters in this thread - a new player has no access to T2 anything. So while getting a t2 ship, or a T2 blaster, or a T2 this or that is a wonderful idea - New players can not afford nor train into T2 equipment in less than 2 months.

Now let's talk about PVP. There are plenty of PVP scams in high sec. Since most of you that post here don't play in high sec - you really shouldn't be running on about it. There are plenty of crap ball pirates that invade missions, steal cargo, and scavenge your wrecks while you are getting your but blasted in missions. If you attack them then you get a quick lesson in t2 frigates and the horse crap rules of PVP - namely that a T2 frigate with all the other T2 equipment will kick the ass off a T1 PVE cruiser or battle cruiser.

So let's go to the next point. Does one have to PVP in this game to succeed in it? That would be no.

Does one have to PVP to make Isk? Also no and maybe that should be hell no. This is because when you are new you cannot continue to lose ships and afford to play this game.

My advice to you as a new player is just learn as much as you can in all the major areas of the game e.g. the economy and how to trade items, how to fit out a ship for PVE, how to mine if you want to learn, how to run all the game screens and what they mean, then if you are interested in PVP you should become a student of that.

I don't mine - which I hate, nor PVP (but I'm working on getting a nice pirate killer together for my "friends" in high sec), nor do I have to run missions to make Isk.

Cheers