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Suspect Baiting?
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Morgoth Galaxius
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-04-03 17:56:06 UTC
Hello, recently I was missioning in hi-sec when out of nowhere a frigate appeared and started looting my kills. The pilot was promptly rewarded with the *suspect* status. From what I understand, I would be within my rights to fire upon this individual.

But I withheld any hostile action thinking there was probably more to this than met the eye.

If I'm not mistaken, this is called suspect baiting? And although I could fire upon the pilot, his allies could immediately descend on me? How exactly does this work? If he fired upon me first, would he be alone in the battle?

I'm not complaining, just looking for an explanation of the mechanics. Thank you!
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2 - 2015-04-03 17:59:15 UTC
Just shoot him, it's just a frigate

Evil RatKid
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2015-04-03 18:11:20 UTC
Morgoth Galaxius wrote:
Hello, recently I was missioning in hi-sec when out of nowhere a frigate appeared and started looting my kills. The pilot was promptly rewarded with the *suspect* status. From what I understand, I would be within my rights to fire upon this individual.

But I withheld any hostile action thinking there was probably more to this than met the eye.

If I'm not mistaken, this is called suspect baiting? And although I could fire upon the pilot, his allies could immediately descend on me? How exactly does this work? If he fired upon me first, would he be alone in the battle?

I'm not complaining, just looking for an explanation of the mechanics. Thank you!


Was doing missions on an ALT for standings in high sec when such a fellow warped in, and did likewise. I was in the Mission with 2 BS so I microjumpdrived the one that had the aggro 100 k out and all the mercenarry rats aggressed him instantly and he died horribly in a fire.

I loled hard.

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Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#4 - 2015-04-03 18:23:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Asmodia
Morgoth Galaxius wrote:
Hello, recently I was missioning in hi-sec when out of nowhere a frigate appeared and started looting my kills. The pilot was promptly rewarded with the *suspect* status. From what I understand, I would be within my rights to fire upon this individual.

But I withheld any hostile action thinking there was probably more to this than met the eye.

If I'm not mistaken, this is called suspect baiting? And although I could fire upon the pilot, his allies could immediately descend on me? How exactly does this work? If he fired upon me first, would he be alone in the battle?

I'm not complaining, just looking for an explanation of the mechanics. Thank you!

If he is yellow or red, you can shoot them. You can pod him aswell. But do not be stupid, shooting MTU or can stealing is the new can flipping joke in high sec.

edit: for question like this exists an Help channel in EVE. Going to forum onyl gives you stupid answers from stupid people.
Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2015-04-03 18:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
You should never engage a PVP ship in a ship that is not set up for PVP.

That being said, the first time I did it, I lost my ship but it was the most fun I had in the game up to that point.

The best way to learn is to make mistakes, keep in mind these are only space pixels and shoot him!

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#6 - 2015-04-03 18:42:14 UTC
Asmodia wrote:
edit: for question like this exists an Help channel in EVE. Going to forum onyl gives you stupid answers from stupid people.


Calm down, miner.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#7 - 2015-04-03 20:08:21 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Asmodia wrote:
edit: for question like this exists an Help channel in EVE. Going to forum onyl gives you stupid answers from stupid people.


Calm down, miner.


Comes from someone that loads in a 500 million ship with t1 antimatter charges. In t2 guns Roll
Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2015-04-03 20:17:53 UTC
Asmodia wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Asmodia wrote:
edit: for question like this exists an Help channel in EVE. Going to forum onyl gives you stupid answers from stupid people.


Calm down, miner.


Comes from someone that loads in a 500 million ship with t1 antimatter charges. In t2 guns Roll

One can not mock a kill board if they do not have one of their own.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#9 - 2015-04-03 20:22:31 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Asmodia wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Asmodia wrote:
edit: for question like this exists an Help channel in EVE. Going to forum onyl gives you stupid answers from stupid people.


Calm down, miner.


Comes from someone that loads in a 500 million ship with t1 antimatter charges. In t2 guns Roll

One can not mock a kill board if they do not have one of their own.

Are you his great brother or is he to shy to speak for himself ? - This off-topic proofs only my edit.Big smile
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2015-04-03 20:27:16 UTC
I am an independent third party commenting on your comment. You are talking trash and you have no kill board to display you have any reason to be talking said trash. Therefore your comments are invalid. As originally stated, calm down miner.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#11 - 2015-04-03 20:30:02 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I am an independent third party commenting on your comment. You are talking trash and you have no kill board to display you have any reason to be talking said trash. Therefore your comments are invalid. As originally stated, calm down miner.

And why he started this off-topic discussion ? His 'pvp' are not very impressive. You are fine, but he is a noob.
Paranoid Loyd
#12 - 2015-04-03 20:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
If you read your original comment that he replied to, it is off topic not to mention wrong.

Again, calling someone a noob that actually has a killboard while you have no killboard to reference means you are the noob or hiding behind an alt. Either scenario invalidates your comments.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#13 - 2015-04-03 20:35:49 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
If you read your original comment that he replied to, it is off topic not to mention wrong.

My edit of on topic. because it is stupid to ask on crime & punishment. 50% of all posts will be trash. He should join 'Help' channel.
Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2015-04-03 20:37:21 UTC
If you really think the help channel is any better than this forum you truly are a noob.

It's not where you post, it's how you post it. OP asked an honest question with out whining. He will get good answers.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
#15 - 2015-04-03 20:43:59 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
If you really think the help channel is any better than this forum you truly are a noob.

It's not where you post, it's how you post it. OP asked an honest question with out whining. He will get good answers.

Hope is the last (thing) to dieBig smile
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-04-03 20:46:51 UTC
Morgoth Galaxius wrote:

I'm not complaining, just looking for an explanation of the mechanics. Thank you!

As said before he wants to bait you into a fight. A properly fitted frig is capable of tanking and killing a mission fit battleship, even more if accompanied by an offgrid booster alt. Also he may pretend to bail after your first shot (you have no point to hold him) and come back in a better ship to finish the fight as you both have a limited engagement timer for 5 minutes.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#17 - 2015-04-03 21:07:22 UTC
Asmodia wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
If you read your original comment that he replied to, it is off topic not to mention wrong.

My edit of on topic. because it is stupid to ask on crime & punishment. 50% of all posts will be trash. He should join 'Help' channel.

Miner! Calm down!

Evil RatKid
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-04-03 21:10:37 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Morgoth Galaxius wrote:

I'm not complaining, just looking for an explanation of the mechanics. Thank you!

As said before he wants to bait you into a fight. A properly fitted frig is capable of tanking and killing a mission fit battleship, even more if accompanied by an offgrid booster alt. Also he may pretend to bail after your first shot (you have no point to hold him) and come back in a better ship to finish the fight as you both have a limited engagement timer for 5 minutes.


To add in, another tactic would be to bring in an Orca or Bowhead and drop off a larger ship with an alt.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#19 - 2015-04-03 21:18:26 UTC
Asmodia wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
If you really think the help channel is any better than this forum you truly are a noob.

It's not where you post, it's how you post it. OP asked an honest question with out whining. He will get good answers.

Hope is the last (thing) to dieBig smile
Our hope? You, being a calm miner.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Morgoth Galaxius
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-04-03 21:26:48 UTC
Thanks for the answers! Especially the notion of not engaging a PVP fit ship with one that's fit for PVE.

(I did want to light the suspect up though!Twisted)

Quote:
edit: for question like this exists an Help channel in EVE. Going to forum onyl gives you stupid answers from stupid people.


You might be right, but I was also looking for an 'icebreaker' to get myself involved with the Eve forums.

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