Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I rather have wormhole exits than this idea...

Its bad enough players are tying to kill the noobs as they spawn in the game despite the looming threat of permaban handouts.

I've suggested this myself, though my idea was for the null starting areas to be for pirate factions like Angels or Guristas with newbie-friendly PvE that was better than the empire equivalents and rookie ships that had limited functionality for both PvE and PvP. Not sure how you'd prevent people from perma-camping the gates outside it though other than to have the NPC cops patrolling just those gates with dozens of exits past that.

But I do know people who were taken straight to null and don't have a clue about highsec, so it's possible already, just a matter of the right person finding the right corp.

What happened to the sandbox?

It seems as if every other day there is a new thread about finding ways to force the "carebears" into nullsec. These ironicly come from the same people who complain (forgive the generalization) that CCP does too much to protect paper thin hulks and transports from gank ships. How about the nullsec alliances stop trying to get CCP to force the sandbox into a certain shape and make nullsec more inviting. It has the action, the profit, hell even mining is more fun in null (and you can make an ISK or two at it). The other thing it has is arrogant vets drunk on a spiced mixture of virtual tears and pixel dust pretending that gun mining anoms, ratting belts and shooting the same target as fifty other people is somehow more honorable than anything high sec has to offer. If you want players to migrate to Null make the move attractive. Build it and they shall come, stop asking for CCP handouts and relocation programs.

I for one remember how much fun and oddly enough how scary crossing some of those thresholds were; my first wandering into losec, my first wormhole, my first time watching how pretty the sky was and wondering why my ship was screaming as my shields went red... Let's try and keep Eve dynamic.

Those to whom this does not apply please avoid the knee jerk "your tears sustain me" tirade.

Did you fail reading comprehension in middle school?

Only knee-jerk response is yours. OP merely suggested giving people the option of starting in 0.0.

Yep. I was out in null listening to Mittani speeches not even a week into this game.

I've since explored low sec, high sec, and wormholes, but in GSF, you start out in 0.0.

Yep. As soon as the corp application gets approved we have newbees pod jump to our space in null where they are showered with isk from bitter vets and training from one of our mentors. I laugh when I hear people insist that you need millions of skillpoints before leaving the warm embrace of empire space. Newbies in rifters are the heart of the swarm.

Nullsec is too much of a safety blanket.

Better to start players off in highsec where they'll be confused and alone with all the can flippers and suicide gankers.

As someone who has gone the route you suggested by heading straight to nullsec and working for pirate factions I feel i should share my experience here.

My presence did not go unnoticed for long, soon i had groups of older players hunting for a week old newbie. The highest number i ever saw hunting me was 43 at once while usually it was only 3 to 6 of them hunting me.

I think you need to realize there is no depth of degradtion the nullsec types won't sink to in thier desperate attempts to get killmails. It doesn't matter a rats ass if it's an hour old toon - any killmail will validate hours of effort to kill even helpless enemies.

so expecting something positive to come from a newbies attempt at nullsec is just naive ...you need to consider the lenghts the "pvpers" go to to achieve any kind of kill. They would circle like starving sharks at the outflow pipe from a butchery waste room.

^^ This is very true.

You may think it's a good idea to give the option for new players to start in nullsec but honestly, a newbie player, first-timer to Eve would literally be chased-away from this game because of the repeated (early) deaths which would await him or her. It's bad enough with the very steep learning curve, throw-in being killed very early-on in Eve and we say goodbye to yet another potential long-time player.