Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you don't run into CPU issues you must be flying Caldari, who generally have very generous CPU fittings. As a rule CPU is harder to increase than Powergrid and more expensive on smaller ships by a large margin than Powergrid.

Also the argument about the penalty persisting when not actively warping doesn't make much sense since all rig penalties persist even when the thing they're related to is not actively in use, and a sig radius penalty while warping would do absolutely nothing. Even if you're talking about a sig bloom when you hit the warp button you can get around that by simply aligning and then hitting warp.



In theory, yes. In practice you'll rarely find it pushing you over the threshold to a new server tick with most fits against most opponents.

In past speed was a minmatar thing. But ccp NERFED the speed advantage of minmatar.. .made gallente almsot as fast, made some amarr ships even faster.. and made caldari so LIGHT and agile that they are the best ships with oversized sped mods.

Right now the WORSE RACE for speeding is minmatar.

I think the sig penalty will kill some kinds of fits using the warp speed rigs. As in, make them splode quite a bit.

I also think that the biggest issue with battlecruisers is a slightly higher than warranted sticker combined with a oversized mass and sig, with a generous agility modifier. All of these are fcould be fixed with fairly minor changes that break few fits, but make CBCs more competative

I would love to see something about the following:
5% or so mineral reduction
cut the sig to around the 200 mark for CBCs, with about the same split from a base sig of 250. drop maybe 5-10 sig on the ABCs as well, for a much smaller change to these ships which currently perform much better.
Drop the mass about 7% and tweak agility to compensate, which makes nanos and other agility equipment more effective, as well as 10mn props.
nudge base lock range and scan resolution up a touch.

What i need to be happy BC

1) Lower MJD cooldown
it's pretty balnced but you know... 150 sec cooldown for MMJD and i'm a happy guy. (effectively it's a 100ms/sec increase in overal speed over the current version)

2) More lock range.
to be able to jump to a pre-locked target as many BSs do.

I have a lot of experience flying Gallente ships, 'Ceptors, and other fast movers. Pretty much everything you said is accurate. Minmatar will go the fastest in a straight line given enough time to get to speed, but the more you maneuver the more agility comes into play. Gallente will get up to speed faster and recover speed more quickly after a course change. So in terms of actual combat maneuvering, especially short bursts, Gallente will usually come out on top.

Overheated MWDs in particular really kill Minmatar speed superiority. A Minmatar ship can be pulling away from a Gallente assailant, but if that Gallente ship overheats their MWD it's over. The higher acceleration, plus the reaction time and server delays, mean that the Minmatar pilot won't be able to react in time to maintain range.

Having said that, I feel that Gallente ships should be the most maneuverable over short bursts (at least their blaster boats). Given their typically limited weapons range (blasters), they need to close range quickly to apply damage. It's just that, as things currently stand, Minmatar ships aren't maneuverable enough overall to be the kings of speed anymore.




They are good at what they're supposed to be good at. Their relative performance compared to other ships doesn't change that. The problem is that they're not the best at what they're supposed to be the best at. There lies the issue.



Back on topic, I feel that this tweak to BC warp speed and warp speed rigs is a really good thing. It makes sense from a consistency standpoint (same fractional relationship as Frigate -> Destroyer and Cruiser -> Battlecruiser), and it also makes it far easier to boost the speed of slower ships to help them keep up with roaming fleets. You no longer need two rig slots (warp speed rig and CPU rig) to get a battlecruiser up to cruiser warp speed; instead, you could use a warp speed rig and an agility rig and get a much closer approximation of cruiser warp performance if you wanted.

Warp Speed Rig Penalty: Disruptors/Scrams work at a longer range against ships fitted with Warp Speed Rigs.

Rationale: Rigs aren't super-engineered, so the boost in warp speed comes at the result of having a more "fragile" warp field.

Or not. My vote is for "not."

Well, It has been several years sicne last time I saw a BC field a command link.


So why not drop that bonus, and put something else onits place? A small prop mod bonus for example... or an extra 10% resitance on the racia l resitance profile..

Gud idea, but then give Battleships a role bonus as well.

Check the agility numbers again (align time) the difference between Minmatar and Gallente ships is *tiny* and the faster speed of the Minmatar ships easily compensates in most cases, putting them at a higher speed faster than the equivalent Gallente ship. In the few cases where this isn't the case the difference is so tiny as to not matter.

For example, this is a graph of the velocity of the Claw and Ares over time as they accelerate from zero. Note that at every point in the graph the Claw is moving faster than the Ares. Also because the Minmatar ships are generally more agile than the Gallente ones they respond better to a propulsion module as well since propulsion modules add a mass penalty as part of their activation to mitigate the speed increase and reduce agility. This means that an Ares and a Claw fitted with a T2 MWD align in almost exactly the same amount of time.

I'll see about editing in the source data for the graph to my original spreadsheet so other people can make their own tests and comparisons.

Agreed.

The sooner the cornerstone concept of the Battleship dies, the better. BC role damage bonus is go.